Talk:Lord Edward FitzGerald

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Did he disown his title during his life? I have heard he did and, if true, it would seem unusual that in death people give him his title.

He had no substantive title; "Lord" means that he was the son of a Duke; it's a courtesy title, and can't be disowned, only used or not used. Used or not, it's how he's known to history. (One couldn't disclaim a substantive title until the passage of the Peerage Act 1963.) - Nunh-huh 06:18, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If it is a "courtesy title and can't be disowned" then surely we should be calling Tony Benn 'Viscount Stansgate'?

Viscount Stansgate is/was not a courtesy title, but a hereditary one, which at the time disbarred its then holder, Tony Benn, then Anthony Wedgwood Benn, from sitting in the House of Commons Millbanks (talk) 10:35, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Surely the 1819 repeal of the Act of Attainder would have returned his title to the dead man?Thegn 23:11, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Changed "Ascendancy" in the "Net tightens" section from a link to a computer game, to just a plain world. Twfowler 15:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Place of marriage[edit]

The place of marriage is given as Tournay, but I doubt whether this is Tournay, Hautes-Pyrénées. It is much more likely to be Tournai, now in Belgium, but at the time of the marriage in the Austrian Netherlands, so not in France. (See French Revolutionary Wars.) However, at various times in its history it has been in France. It even belonged to Henry VIII for a while. Does anyone have any better information than I have? LynwoodF (talk) 16:07, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As nobody has commented, I have changed the spelling of Tournai and made the section heading less specific. Incidentally, two related articles give the spelling Tournai. LynwoodF (talk) 08:14, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're right: see this, which I've added as a ref in the article. DeCausa (talk) 21:37, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for that. It is pretty conclusive. I am glad you have sorted this out. This point was of special interest to me, as I live a short walk from Thames Ditton, where Pamela is buried, and Tournai is one of my favourite places. LynwoodF (talk) 08:49, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]