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Ownership[edit]

Missing a section on ownership. It's worth knowing that Donald Sterling is the owner, and knowing something about his personal and business dealings, since they have impacted the team to an extraordinary extent. The Clippers wouldn't be the Clippers if they had been owned by someone devoted to winning rather than some of the many unsavory things that are well known about him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BeholdMan (talkcontribs) 08:43, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Worst Franchise in NBA History[edit]

This article never references the Clippers often cited status as the worst NBA franchise in history (and for that matter all of sports), nor mentions any of the futility that are inexorably tied to any conversation involving The Clippers during the majority of years from 1990 - 2010. Glaring omissions include any reference to the frequent criticism of Donald Sterling and Clippers various records of futility, which fueled the Clippers consistently being named the Worst Franchise in History. As such, it sounds as though this article is heavily corporately manipulated by the NBA and Clipper ownership. The Clippers are perennially considered "The Worst Franchise in NBA History," and "The Worst Franchise in Sports History." Sports Illustrated in its April 17th, 2000 issue, featured the Clippers with the title "The Worst Franchise in Sports History (and the man responsible)" [1] Additionally, ESPN The Magazine cited the Clippers as the worst sports franchise out of 122 franchises considered. [2] The Boston Globe called the "the worst franchise in league history" on December 16, 1999. On October 24th, 1993 the Sacramento Bee referred the Clippers as "having long since nailed down the distinction of being the NBA's worst franchise."

And even hometown sports reporter Bill Plaschke referred to them as "perhaps the worst franchise in professional sports," in March 22nd, 1999. Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page). Forbes cites them as 23rd in total valuation, despite being in the #2 market. [3]

Their history of futility includes the second lowest win percentage of any NBA team (0.36 as of writing this), after the Grizzlies, who status as an expansion team with only 15 years of existence heavily weighs against their record. The Clippers have never won a division title, and have 15 last-place finishes. The Clippers, despite coming into existence in 1970, over a 40 year period amassed two of the top ten longest playoff droughts, including a 15 year playoff drought from 1977-1991 and a 8 season drought spanning 1998 - 2005. They currently are tied for the second longest playoff drought at 4 seasons.

Even the Chicago Cubs wiki page offers a section on the teams "Championship Drought," and most other historically inept teams at least reference their status. This article is not complete without a section devoted to The Clippers epic futility and at least some mention of the highly used and often cited label as "worst franchise in NBA history" during the period from the early 90s to 2010. [User: agentraiden|agentraiden]] 3:07, 24 November, 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by AgentRaiden (talkcontribs) 11:30, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Individual season relevance[edit]

How relevant is all the information under the individual season sections? For example, the 2005-2006 section takes up a large chunk of the article, but that is not all relevant anymore. Perhaps these sections should be trimmed down to a couple keep points? [User:squeemu|squeemu]] 3:07, 8 November, 2007

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Dantley[edit]

Added a reference to him in the Hall of Famer section. I believe I have his years with the franchise correct, and don't know (and couldn't find) his uniform # with the Braves. Sn14534 (talk) 11:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Notable player : Bob Kauffman[edit]

I thought Bob should have been added. He was Buffalo's first center and a three time NBA All-Star. Very underrated as a pro, Kauffman had been the #4 overall pick and was traded very early on, then slotted for expansion. A strong PF who could pass, shoot outside and rebound well, Kauffman was part of a potentially great line with Elmore Smith and Bob McAdoo, but then was dealt for Gar Heard. This guy never really got a far shot, but was a key early star for the Buffalo leg of the team's history. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerjets11 (talkcontribs) 02:29, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Records[edit]

This statement

The Clippers are one of three teams (along with the Memphis Grizzlies and the Charlotte Bobcats) to have never won an NBA Championship,Conference Championship and a Division Championship in franchise history respectively.

is confusing. I think it means to say that none of these teams has won any of these titles. If so, the "and" should be "or". And why is the word "respectively" there? Autocorrelation (talk) 15:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

The Clippers remain in the L.A. metro area due to a large sports market able to support the Lakers and soon, a relocating Kings franchise if approved in Anaheim. Both the Clippers and Lakers played at the Honda Center on occassional games. The Clippers have played occassionally in the Long Beach Arena and interestingly, Long Beach is known for a harbor like San Diego when they used to play there. 71.102.30.215 (talk) 07:02, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

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The Clippers changed their logo. It's a very slight change (I don't know if they even bothered to announce it), but it's already been put into effect (see their NBA website). Not sure if there's a good image of it available anywhere, but it should be changed on this article when possible. 76.167.253.199 (talk) 04:26, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

The section of 2005–06: Back to the Playoffs[edit]

I did a few readjustments there, but there is something I want to bring up here before I would change it on my own. In the first paragraph, there are two sentences that are undesirably vague about the subject material. First, the introduction sentence of the section is "The 2005-2006 season was a turning point for the team's overall image; a hot start marked by several wins over top teams caught the attention of many fans. I think the bolded part of the sentence needs rewording, due to its vague nature. I would like to state that some of those "top teams" could be elaborated upon, and the part which says "caught the attention of many fans" is also overly vague and it may even be necessary to eliminate it. The second sentence I'd like to point out about the first paragraph is the third sentence: "Elton Brand was chosen as a reserve power forward for the All-Star Game and articles have been run in many sports magazines giving recognition to the much improved team. Instead of stating that articles have been written about Elton Brand's position in the all-star game, how about there be displayed which magazines wrote the articles and what the articles said. For instance, instead of the vagueness of what is there currently, there could be (with the possibility of creating more sentences), this: the (date) issue of x magazine stated that [what the article stated, along with the citation of the respective article afterwards]. These are just suggestions now, but I do think the sentence really need to be changed. Thoughts? Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 08:03, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Buffalo Braves[edit]

I think there should be a separate page for the Buffalo Braves. There's one for the Minnesota North Stars. AmericanLeMans (talk) 04:43, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Be bold and start one up if you think you can create a suitably detailed page for it. -DJSasso (talk) 15:48, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

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Origin of "Lob City" Nickname[edit]

Under the section "Enter Lob City," the article states

The team gained the nickname "Lob City" due to several alley-oop plays, usually from Paul to Griffin or Jordan.

In reality, the use of the phrase "Lob City" to describe the Clippers originated before Chris Paul had ever thrown a lob in a Clippers' uniform; video coverage showing Blake Griffin finding out that the Clippers had traded for Chris Paul revealed his reaction: "It's going to be Lob City, baby!"

Related links: Blake Griffin on Chris Paul: 'It's going to be Lob City!' , Clippers trade for Chris Paul: Blake Griffin reacts to Blockbuster Deal

TumericTJ (talk) 03:30, 23 August 2012 (UTC)TumericTJ

Magic Johnson, Showtime And The Clippers[edit]

I need this comment posted:

On December 25th, former Laker and Hall of Famer Magic Johnson complimented the Clipper's style of play to the Lakers of the 1980's saying "I thought I would never, ever see Showtime again. And I was the architect of Showtime. The Clippers? That's Showtime." [4]

For some reason, I am locked out from editing the front page. ElMeroEse (talk) 20:49, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Racist Remarks By LA Clippers Owner[edit]

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/obama-reacts-alleged-racial-remarks-sterling-n90656

NBC News President Barack Obama talks about alleged racial remarks made by Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling. Published April 27th 2014, 2:12 am

Qewr4231 (talk) 05:25, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Need for article update[edit]

Steve Ballmer recently bought the franchise for $2 billion. The article must reflect that. I don't know where to put it, and have difficulty in generating enough content to add a section on the deal. Compfreak7 (talk) 13:20, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

I think a better idea would be to replace the owner field with "Vacant." The sale of the team is considered a self-termination of the Sterling Trust's ownership. All it needs now is a Board Of Governors vote. ElMeroEse (talk) 16:52, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
Vacant is not accurate, as Sterling remains the owner until a sale is approved. —Bagumba (talk) 23:00, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
Like Bagumba said above, vacant is NOT more accurate because Donald Sterling IS still the owner. Chambr (talk) 01:34, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Clippers to Seattle and No-Relocation Clause[edit]

You might want to mention how the Clippers, gn their lackluster history, were the topic of relocation during the forced sale of the team. When Clay Bennett purchased the Supersonics, there was a growing concern that he never wanted the Sonics in Seattle, and wanted to move the Sonics to his home state, where he would rebrand them as the Thunder. To prevent that from happening again, the NBA included a no-relocation clause stating that the Clippers cannot be moved from Los Angeles. Article here: http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/30/report-language-in-purchase-agreement-states-steve-ballmer-will-not-move-clippers-from-los-angeles/

It seems now that anytime the Clippers are in a discussion, a precedent is set. We had the gag order between the Clippers and Celtics during the coaching trade for Doc Rivers, now there's the no-relocation clause between the owner of the Clippers and the NBA Board Of Governors. ElMeroEse (talk) 18:52, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Actually, any no relocation clause included in the franchise agreement for the Clippers would not necessarily set a precedent. A buyback clause was apparently included in the recent sale of the Milwaukee Bucks.[5] That would seem to be a variant of a no-relocation clause and considering the NBA's predilection for keeping their business dealings private, a Clippers' franchise deal might include similar language. Likewise, in that same article, there is some indication of a similar arrangement surrounding the New Orleans franchise.
--Mikeylito (talk) 23:06, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Re: General Manager[edit]

Technically, the Clippers have no general manager as an official title. The following is taken directly from the Clippers' Team Directory.

Senior Vice President of Basketball Operations Glenn "Doc" Rivers
Vice President of Basketball Operations Gary Sacks
Director of Basketball Operations Gerald Madkins

During the season, Rivers lets Sacks do the majority of the work, but the final decision is his. During the off-season, Rivers works in tandem with Sacks.

I placed the information here on the talk page for discussion purposes as this has been an issue in the past.
--Mikeylito (talk) 23:36, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

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Why is the section "2000–02: The AND1 Streetball era" called that?[edit]

Why is the history's 2000-02 section titled "The AND1 Streetball era?" There are no references to anything related to AND1 Streetball or streetball at all in the two paragraphs of the section. --Houjou (talk) 17:59, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

@Houjou: I removed that particular section heading.  Done Charlesaaronthompson (talk) 04:14, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. I didn't do it myself not to interfere with anyone collaborating on the article, since I haven't contributed to it. --Houjou (talk) 16:48, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Rename article?[edit]

Team changed name from Los Angeles Clippers to L.A. Clippers. Evidence here: http://www.uni-watch.com/2016/08/19/los-angeles-clippers-move-to-l-a/ Bzweebl (talkcontribs) 02:54, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

There are still many secondary sources that refer to the team as the "Los Angeles Clippers". Even ESPN will have articles that refer to the team as the Los Angeles Clippers despite their page being "LA Clippers" (see this article and this article for instance). My understanding is this is more of a branding issue as opposed to a naming issue, since the team never issued a formal renaming press release. "LA" is a long-established nickname of Los Angeles, so having "LA Clippers" redirect here is appropriate, but renaming the article, probably not. --JonRidinger (talk) 20:37, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
I disagree. There are no longer any official sources, whether the NBA or the team itself, that refer to the team as the "Los Angeles Clippers." ESPN and other secondary sources just haven't caught on/realized yet, and surely that accidental reality should not override what the league calls the team and the team calls itself. Bzweebl (talkcontribs) 02:53, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
I would also disagree on moving the article as well, despite what the team itself says. Too much work for something rather arbitrary, and arguably temporary. It would be one thing to go from "Los Angeles" to something like "California" or "West Coast", but going from "Los Angeles" to "L.A" is not significant enough to rename the article. The team is more commonly recognized as the "Los Angeles Clippers", the same way the New York Knickerbockers are more commonly refered to as the New York Knicks. Having "LA Clippers" or "L.A. Clippers" redirect to the full name seems more appropriate but a wholesale move is not justified. Dknights411 (talk) 04:23, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
Please see the links I included in my previous reply. There is nothing to "disagree" about in terms of how the team is referred to in secondary sources, which is ultimately what decides the article title, not simply the official pages (see WP:COMMONNAME and WP:BRAND). It's similar to how many college athletic programs want to be branded by their initials (like Northern Illinois Huskies being "NIU Huskies"), but secondary sources not reflecting that. Conversely, the example from Dknights411 about the Knicks is another good one where the official name is rarely used in secondary sources. Like I said, even ESPN, which has the team's page at "LA Clippers", will refer to the team within articles as "Los Angeles Clippers" or "Los Angeles" (don't forget in the US, "LA" is also the postal code for Louisiana). Other news sources are also still referring to the team as such, including CBSSports, Fox Sports, Bleacher Report, MSN Sports, and the Associated Press. While it may be a case of "not having caught on yet", we have to go by what a majority of secondary sources are currently using. So if they "catch on" and the majority start referring to the team exclusively as the "LA Clippers", then another discussion can begin. That often happens when names change. At this point, however, that is not the case. The redirect from "LA Clippers" and "L.A. Clippers" and mention in the lead is sufficient. --JonRidinger (talk) 13:49, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

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  2. ^ http://www.sportsinfo101.com/tag/clippers-worst-franchise
  3. ^ http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/32/basketball-values-09_Los-Angeles-Clippers_322952.html
  4. ^ http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-clippers-celtics-20121227,0,7353844.story
  5. ^ "Arena construction key to owner deal". ESPN.com. 21 April 2014. Retrieved 2 June 2014.