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The Southern Poverty Law Center is not a neutral source, it is an ideological adversary of libertarians and Mises Institute. Should every entry about an ideological organization include criticism by opponents? Is this a Wikipedia custom? Nicmart (talk) 15:47, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

A serious conceptual error in the page[edit]

There is a serious conceptual error in the page: The Mises Institute's mission is described, among others, as "defense of the market economy". In reality The Mises Institute is advancing capitalism and replacing market economy. Market economy is an economy based on exchanging goods with money as a means, but the Misesian (and Friedmanite) dogma is based on accumulating money at the expense of exchange.

Capitalism is wealth accumulation but market economy is economic exchange. The Misesian framework keeps money artificially scarce (the "sound money" pseudo-argument) and is identical to Friedmanite framework. Needless to say that this difference means different concepts of individual freedom. The Misesian interpretation is enhancing the liberty of the few at the expense of the majority of men.

The "sound money" pseudo-argument is also a means to wage war against modern states and constitutes at the same time the basis of expectations manipulation. John Maynard Keynes held expectations as exogenous but Friedmanites and Misesians have endogenized these, and call them rational (or consistent) referring their rationality or consistency to the economic model. Mises and his followers are totalitarians (or inverted totalitarians). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vienna Totalitarians (talkcontribs) 20:58, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Even if everything you say is true (I personally have no idea whether it is or not), to make changes to the article you would need to provide reliable sources that verify any new content. Safehaven86 (talk) 21:22, 6 September 2016 (UTC)


My Neoliberalism's addition to "See also" section was reverted by Saturnalia0, whose action I consider an undue censorship. I'd like to see where the local consensus stands on this. Carlotm (talk) 07:44, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

I simply do not see the relation. The "neoliberalism" article explicitly mentions that the ideas defended by the subject of this article are opposing to it, and there is no mention to "neoliberalism" in this article. Saturnalia0 (talk) 07:56, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

IMO there is some connection, but IMO not enough to include on a short "see also" list. North8000 (talk) 13:47, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Wolfgang Streeck in his How Will Capitalism End? writes explicitly about "neoliberal Hayekianism". Carlotm (talk) 00:45, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Nicholas Sarwark[edit]

Can someone explain under "criticisms" the Nicholas Sarwark controversy in further detail? The Jason Stapleton interview of Nicholas Sarwark may help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghoul flesh (talkcontribs)

Wish I could. The source is essentially a blog that is looking at Sarwark's Tweets which vaguely reference Tweets from an un-verified Twitter account under the name Tom Woods. I do not think the "criticism" from the LP Chair (Sarwark) is either WP:V or WP:NOTEWORTHY. – S. Rich (talk) 23:55, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
I agree, it hasn't gotten much coverage at all, but Sarwark has gotten a lot of backlash from libertarians for his comments. Many want him removed as chair in 2018. See the comments on this video for example: It's a major controversy in the LP right now.

It would probably stand to be mentioned on Sarwark's Wikipedia page rather than Ludwig von Mises Institute's. I know there is a problem with notability, though. Ghoul fleshtalk 00:40, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

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Bogus coat of arms[edit]

That's a quite a coat of arms apparently claimed by the Mises Institute. I mean, I'm no expert on reading heraldry, but apparently they're claiming that it was a crown-grant, which is most impressive for an American organization formed in 1982. Was it from the King of the Moon? I realize that this kind of thing has fallen by the wayside, but this is the modern equivalent of claiming several doctorates backed by diploma mills. I don't know if Wikipedia should be giving it the time of day. AndroidCat (talk) 06:41, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't see anything the the article claiming it was a crown-grant. I think that on the US they are self-taken. North8000 (talk) 13:41, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
It's inherent in the coat of arms: A barred helm with a crown on top means a major grant of nobility from the crown. (Heraldry was the emojis of the day, and even illiterates were expected to understand them at a glance.) Rather than that silly twaddle, why not use the logo from their website? AndroidCat (talk) 14:35, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
the CoA is from the Mises Family. From the Mises institute website: The Mises Institute's coat of arms is that of the Mises family, awarded in 1881 when Ludwig von Mises's great-grandfather Mayer Rachmiel Mises was ennobled by the Emperor Franz Josef I of Austria. this took me 30 seconds of research Maxlysle (talk) 22:48, 5 March 2018 (UTC)