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Lumia phones discontinued? Microsoft mobile shut down?[edit]

Microsoft in its press release has indirectly hinted at no more production of Lumia

Press Link: https://news.microsoft.com/2016/05/18/microsoft-selling-feature-phone-business-to-fih-mobile-ltd-and-hmd-global-oy/#sm.000vehd69191pcx2s132ivdcraq8t

THe piece in above link: "Microsoft will continue to develop Windows 10 Mobile and support Lumia phones such as the Lumia 650, Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL, and phones from OEM partners like Acer, Alcatel, HP, Trinity and VAIO."

Here, there is no reference to future production of Lumia, only development of Windows 10 mobile software and support of existing phones.

Now two things may happen

a. Microsoft will not release any more Lumia's but also will not declare that they have discontinued Lumia's. (Blackberry did same with Playbook tablet)

b. Microsoft will release phone branded by name other than Lumia (for eg Surface Phone, Xbox Phone etc..)

In both cases, Lumia stands discontinued. Also Microsoft Mobile stands closed.(Microsoft Surface remains in business)

Question: Should the articles Microsoft Mobile and Microsoft Lumia be updated to include 'Lumia discontinuation' now?

Please provide views on the above question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RumGadTrain (talkcontribs) 06:27, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

In my opinion, we should not currently list the Lumia line as discontinued, not until an official statement from Microsoft to that effect.
I'm aware that multiple secondary sources have reported on Lumia production winding down and speculating about what this means for the brand as a whole, and I'm not opposed to including that information somewhere in the article, but the lede and infobox should reflect the current official status, which is not yet "discontinued". At best we can say something like "on hold" or "production halted". In fact, unless someone opposes, I propose changing the status in infobox to one of those. Indrek (talk) 14:08, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi.
As long as there is no law mandating an official announcement of discontinuation, it might as well never come. Microsoft won't announce something unless there is something to gain from that announcement.
That said, secondary sources always trump primary sources, not the other way around.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 14:30, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
A company announcing the discontinuation of a product line is pretty standard practice. Certainly not "unprecedented" or "impossible", as you suggest in your edit summaries. Also, although I never said it had to be a primary source, such sources are perfectly fine for claims about themselves (e.g. a Microsoft-published source saying Microsoft has discontinued the Lumia line). Sure, secondary sources are preferable, but as far as I can see, the secondary sources are merely saying that production of current Lumia phones has been wound down, and that this might mean no new phones are forthcoming. From the article currently used as source in the infobox: "Microsoft is believed to be planning to discontinue the Lumia brand in December". I don't think that's enough to claim the Lumia brand as definitively discontinued; that's a pretty exceptional claim. Indrek (talk) 15:28, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
So, since the article has been edit protected for a few days, maybe we can get the discussion here going again? Pinging @Demonuk and TerencePitt as recent contributors. Indrek (talk) 11:24, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
My somewhat uneducated view is that the sources that have been provided thus far are weak and rely too much on supposition, based fundamentally on whether or not Microsoft's online store actually has stock of items. I'm not of the opinion that something showing as "Out of Stock" is a reliable indicator of its status overall - to give a practical example, I tried purchasing a Lego Mindstorms EV3 at Christmas - many retailers in the UK were showing this as "Out of Stock", but, it wasn't discontinued… there was simply stock issues. The likelihood of the same applying in the Microsoft scenario is remote, but, supposition does no one any favours.
I do very much agree that a secondary source would be beneficial, and, indeed, agrees with encyclopaedic thinking, but, the sources thus far are more tabloid than anything else (and, in the case of one of the most recent sources, it actually just cited back to one of the original ones in a somewhat circular manner).
According to Microsoft Investor Relations website, their next earnings release is due later on this month, so, a more definitive answer is likely to be forthcoming in the media around that time. Until then, however, I think that until a source actually reports something credible this one is very much up for debate, and, at most, it could be classed as "assumed discontinued". Demonuk (talk) 05:57, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
This is pretty much my position as well - all sources provided so far focus on availability of current models and assume from there that no future models will be produced (that it's an assumption is very much made clear in the wording they use). I firmly believe we should wait until something more substantial (ideally an official statement by Microsoft) emerges. Until then, using past tense and definitively claiming the Lumia line as discontinued seems inappropriate. Indrek (talk) 12:12, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
For what it's worth, Lumias (specifically the 550, 950 and 950 XL) are now back in stock in Microsoft's US store: [1].
As such, I'm inclined to remove the two mentions of what now appears to have been but a temporary period of unavailability from the article. Or we can wait a bit and see if they remain in stock. Thoughts? Indrek (talk) 21:42, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
As there have been no responses, I decided to be WP:BOLD and go ahead with my proposed edits. I did leave one mention of the temporary US unavailability, though frankly I'm not sure if being out of stock for a short while is noteworthy. Indrek (talk) 06:26, 28 January 2017 (UTC)