Talk:Lunar New Year
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I removed the WPCHINA tag because Lunar New Year can refer to several different culture's new year. Someone had redirect the page to what they think is the most commonly known one - namely, the Chinese New Year. But just because it may be the most common doesn't mean its the only one. Redirecting it only to the Chinese New Year is not very encylcopoedic. And it seemed to have encouraged an edit war to redirect to other specific new year pages. --tess 00:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Clarifying Lunar New Year
This is just my stab at the facts. Other people with more knowledge of the specific new year celebration will need to step up. But my goal here is to clarify what people mean by "Lunar New Year". I also want to point out that the Chinese don't typically call their New Year "Lunar" in Chinese. It is either referred to as just the "New Year", or "Agrarian/Farm Calendar New Year". tess 19:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
An added note: I agree that the clarifications so far have helped, but have some thoughts about further improvement.
"Lunar New Year refers to the beginning of the year in calendars based on the cyles of the moon. Most 'lunar calendars' are actually lunisolar, that is, periodically corrected so each specific lunar month continues to fall within one or another of the solar seasons. The Jewish calendar, for example, simply repeats a month when the date of New Years strays beyond a certain solar marker. Jewish holidays, and the date of Easter in Christian calendars, thus oscillate around particular solar-based Gregorian dates without remaining constant. The most commonly used simply lunar calendar is the Islamic calendar, according to which the first month, Muharram, migrates gradually backwards through the seasons, occurring earlier in each solar year."
I would further suggest the entries be placed in three groups:
"A number of moon-cycle new year celebrations occur in the Gregorian months of January or February:"
[here the six listed]
"Another grouping of celebrations occurs around April:"
[here the Thai grouping of 4, plus:]
"· Deccan New Year, observed under various names in India (Ugadi, Yugadi, Gudi Padwa, Cheti Chand, Sajibu Cheiraoba, Baisakhi, Puthandu)."
"The remaining celebrations fall at other times of year:
"· Islamic New Year, the first day of Muharram, may occur any time in the Gregorian year.
"· Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashana, at the end of Elul, is generally in September."
While I agree that many in the US use 'lunar new year' as a synonym for 'Chinese New Year', I also agree this is a disambiguation page and should not use that misconception as its organizing thought. This is perhaps more discussion than occurs on many disambiguation pages, but there seems no better place to establish the basic terminology in a way that helps the reader find what is wanted. Kboy (talk) 00:09, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Very narrow-minded and prejudice of user Mahlergustav to speak of Koreans and Vietnamese in this manner. So instead of calling it Lunar New Year, is it correct for Koreans, Vietnamese, Japanese, Mongolians and Tibetans to all use the term "CHINESE New Year"??? Very poor, Mahlergustav, very poor. -CatmamaK — Preceding unsigned comment added by CatmamaK (talk • contribs) 21:46, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
This should be redirected to Chinese New Year
Lunar New Year is not the right word to describe Chinese New Year. That's the name Korean and Vietnamese used when they don't want show their culture is derived from Chinese Culture. Here is wiki, and we should explain the fact about this festival to others. Mahlergustav (talk) 22:44, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- There are plenty of other lunar (or lunisolar) calendars (and hence "New Years") that have nothing to do with the Chinese calendar. Korean and Vietnamese calendars are basically the same as the Chinese calendars, but use different time zones as standards, which means 1/24 or 4.2% of all dates are different between either one and the Chinese. Articles on all three calendars already allude to this difference. "Lunar New Year" may not be scientifically correct, but having links to each of these new years is totally appropriate, as different cultures indeed have different observances that may or may not be traced to a common origin. HkCaGu (talk) 23:35, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
by the local news paper in United States. I live in Oklahoma State. Please don't confuse international friends, OK? They understand this as Chinese New Year. I really don't understand why you guys must give that some other definitions. I have an Indian friend, who told me as her understanding, so-called Lunar New Year is originated from China, and then spread into many other Asian Countries. I am responsible for my words here. I love wikipedia! Please! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahlergustav (talk • contribs) 17:23, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- You don't seem to be able to read and comprehend what Tesscass and I have written or the principles of Wikipedia. Until you do so, please refrain from reverting edits. HkCaGu (talk) 18:42, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- I don't dispute that Chinese New Year is the one that comes to a majority of American's minds when Lunar New Year is mentioned - even if it is somewhat erroneous. (The Chinese doesn't even call its own new year "Lunar".) And you've already stated very vehemently that it is "understood". But my point is, based on a lunar or lunisolar calendar, there are several other culture's new year tradition that can also be called Lunar New Year. Yes, some of them are directly derived from the Chinese calendar. But redirecting this page to Chinese New Year would cut off ways for people to find more information about other "lunar new years." The "understood" knowledge isn't the only knowledge out there. --tess (talk) 18:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't think we should understand one word from the word itself. You should respect how others (at least English native speaker) understand the English word. Right now you give this word some new definitions and you said that is based on Wiki principle. I really disagree, and THAT IS NOT WHAT WIKI REALLY WANT SHOW PEOPLE! You try to show your respect to diverse culture,but you DON'T RESPECT ENGLISH! I WILL INSIST MY POINT OF VIEW, BECAUSE ENGLISH WIKI BELONGS TO ALL OF US ENGLISH SPEAKER, NOT JUST YOU TWO. I LOVE WIKI! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahlergustav (talk • contribs) 23:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- One of the purpose of this disambiguation page is to point out that there are different "lunar" new year celebrations, even if they were all originally based on the same calendar. I certainly do not mean to disrespect English. --tess (talk) 01:09, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't wanna bring a war here. I just want to discuss the word denifition. I agree with the current page. That can reflect the word's meaning accurately. But next time please use your argue but not your wiki-power in the discussion. Wiki should not be like politics.
Right now the article is unbiased, and acceptable.
Can we use months rather than seasons?
Since seasons are local to one hemisphere? Many Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern and Jewish origin people now live in the southern hemisphere, and the lunar new year date is clearly related to the solar month, not the solar season, which is opposite in the southern hemisphere despite the date being celebrated at the same time.
Indic New Year
The Indic New Year (which takes place mid-April) is based on the sidereal entry of the Sun into Aries, and has nothing to do with the lunar calendar. Its coverage should be split into a separate article. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:32, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
- The reason why they are included is because many of those countries use a hybrid lunar and solar (lunisolar) calendar. Also, mainland Southeast Asia and Sri Lanka use the Buddhist calendar which is a lunisolar calendar. According to the Buddhist calendar and its variants like the traditional Thai lunar calendar, the next year starts in April (Gregorian calendar) with the first full moon of the year, it is also when the next animal zodiac year commences. The East Asian New Year is also based on lunisolar calendars. For example, the Vietnamese New Year begins on the night of the first moon after the sun enters Aquarius. The only "pure" lunar calendar is the Islamic calendar. (184.108.40.206 (talk) 02:13, 31 December 2016 (UTC))
I just looked further, and it appears that the IP user has been on a one-person crusade to misrepresent the Sankranti-based new years as lunar new years, something that no reliable source supports. It'll take some time to revert all the changes. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:26, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
- Read the article again and read the sources on certain pages such as Cambodian New Year before removing information. (220.127.116.11 (talk) 05:21, 14 October 2017 (UTC))
- The intro says, "... celebrations are, or were historically, observed according to the local lunisolar calendars". It is acknowledging the historical connection these festivals had with the lunar calendar. It's not a crusade, what is your problem? (18.104.22.168 (talk) 05:23, 14 October 2017 (UTC))
Can we correct the first sentence?
This currently reads "Lunar New Year is the first day of a secular, sacred, or other guise whose months are coordinated by the cycles of the moon." The word "guise" is bizarrely meaningless here. At one time or another the words "year" or "calendar," either of which would make much more sense, have been employed instead. In yet another version, the word "guys" appears instead, which strongly suggests the whole thing is some form of vandalism. Since there seems to be a lot of warring and vandalism going on with this article, I am not leaping to make the correction myself, but asking, Do we want to salvage this article? If so, can we start with its first sentence? Mandrakos (talk) 16:13, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Today the article links to the Google doodle, so the whole world was wondering what the hell "guise temporal beliefs" (the latest vandalism) was supposed to mean. I have made the simplest correction back to an earlier version of the article ("year"). Mandrakos (talk) 19:32, 28 January 2017 (UTC)