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Lutheran view on God the Father[edit]

There is no section on Lutheran views on God the Father. Could one or two of you guys please write something roughly the same size as the Catholic/Orthodox/Mormonism/etc. sections there. I could try to do it, but you guys will probably get it right. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 19:25, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Germany[edit]

"Lutheranism is a main Protestant denomination in Germany (where it forms about 40% of the country's Protestant population)...". Definitely 40% of the OVERALL population, not of the protestant population!--Severino (talk) 15:15, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Looking at a subpage to the article it says "Approximately 40% of German Protestants are members of churches belonging to the "Vereinigte Evangelisch-Lutherische Kirche Deutschlands" (VELK). The majority of Protestants belonging to Union Churches of Germany are also members of parishes which are traditionally Lutheran. In Germany there also exists the Independent Evangelical-Lutheran Church (SELK), which formed from those opposed to the forced Union with Reformed churches in Prussia. The SELK is a member of the International Lutheran Council (ILC). The SELK is separate from the state churches and has 35,642 baptized members as of 2008." So I believe the 40 % is referring to the 40 % of Protestants who belong to VELK. But there are other Lutherans too, so it´s a somewhat misleading number. Protestants currently make up about 30 % of the total population in Germany. w/r Iselilja (talk) 17:02, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
Lutherans make up the overwhelming majority of Protestants in Germany. These numbers seem to be correct: Evangelical Church in Germany (abbreviated EKD in German) 23.9 mio members out of 25 mio Protestants in Germany (which make about 30% of Germans as you wrote correctly, about the same amount as Catholics). The 40% are definitely a misleading number. I don't know if SELK & VELK are sub-organizations of the EKD.--Severino (talk) 18:31, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
As I understand from the article about EKD it isn´t per definition Lutheran. Here is what is said about the name: "The German term evangelisch here more accurately corresponds to the broad English term Protestant rather than to the narrower evangelical." I have always believed that a vast majority of Protestants in Germany were Lutherans, but I haven´t found a source for it while searching now. If you have something, you may of course add it to the article if you like. I removed the 40% claim and instead inserted 30% Protestants in Germany which would be the upper limit of Lutherans. w/r Iselilja (talk) 18:54, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
The EKD comprises lutheran and calvinist churches. The confusion comes from the fact that "evangelisch" in german is equivalent to "lutheran". But, "evangelisch" is usually translated as "evangelical" in English although Lutherans are only in exceptional cases "Evangelicals" (which is "evangelikal" in german).--Severino (talk) 19:08, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

talk page Luther got saved from Catholicism[edit]

It is unlikely that Luther considered himself a Catholic after he nailed his thesis to the door! The edict of worms 1521 or 'the excommunication' was just Catholicism by Catholic priests because in Luther's eyes he was already an ex-Catholic. Marking the statement as dubious.

Since there is a citation, you should check the source. I'm pretty sure Luther considered himself a Catholic long after the 95 Theses, which he intended to be the beginning of a debate on how to reform the Church from within. --JFHutson (talk) 17:39, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

What about the clergy?[edit]

I think there should be a section on Lutheran clergy. Are there priests? Nuns? Brothers? Monks? Different orders of clergy? What are they clergy called? Pastors? Rectors? Anything else? Could someone with knowledge start such a section, please? 201.191.106.162 (talk) 21:19, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Lutheranism by country[edit]

For some reason, the map used in this article, omits some Lutheran churches in e.g. African countries. Unfortunatly, I do not know how to compile maps for wikipedia. Should we discontinue using the maps until it is corrected? Or does someone have an explanation for the map being as it is? --Periegetes (talk) 11:26, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

The map has now been replaced with a new one containing all LWF membership data. --Periegetes (talk) 14:34, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
First of all, it is clearly stated in the file's description that it uses LWF membership data. I suppose these African Lutheran churches you're talking about do not belong to LWF. Feel free to replace that map with a map counting all Lutherans all over the world (really hard to get a reliable source for this)-that's why we use LWF estimates as it contains the vast majority of Lutherans (not all of them!!!). Secondly, that map with circles makes it impossible to really determine a country with lots of Lutherans. For example Germany, the big circle inside Europe. One can suppose it refers to Germany, but it is not CLEAR as in that color map I've placed before.Ernio48 (talk) 20:17, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
Shouldn't you Ernio48 find out about things before you start reversing justified edits by others? Unlike in the old map, the map shows all countries in the LWF membership statistic (including e.g. Ethiopia). If you do not believe that you are free the check it from the original source. Obviously, your knowledge concerning Lutheran churches around the world is too limited for you make some judgements. Please learn more and come back then. Equally, Ernio48 does not have a clue about basic rules of thematic cartography that can be read from any cartography textbook: Absolute figures (like number of people), must always be presented on proporational symbol maps, which will then give a clear and easy visual impression about the actual volume. The Choropleth map is suitable for displaying proportional data such as percentages. If we want to display countries "with lots of Lutherans", we would need to make a choropleth map showing the percentage of Lutherans. I rest my case. I do not engage in edit-warring. It up to others to consider if an erroneous map should really be used. --Periegetes (talk) 15:42, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Feel free to edit the old map. I think we all agree that map with circles does not really show anything to an outsider that came to read the article.Ernio48 (talk) 17:15, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Ernio48: Just talk about yourself, do not generalize on the basis of your own assumptions. --Periegetes (talk) 19:08, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Well doesn't that sound reasonable to you. Nvm.Ernio48 (talk) 19:43, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

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