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Under Culture, Taxes on alcohol etc...

I believe "This per capital..."

Should be "This per capita..."

I cannot change it as the page is locked.

what kind of vandalism has occurred on this page?

who is in charge of making any necessary edits? Does Wikipedia pay people to work here as moderators who make any necessary revisions?


GDP (PPP), Per capita: Contradiction with Liechtenstein[edit]

Both articles claim that Luxembourg and Liechtenstein rank 2nd.

Luxembourg independence[edit]

Hello FactStraight. I am afraid I don't agree with your revision of my addition to the Luxemburg article. From 1815 until 1839 Luxemburg had the same status that the Duchy of Limburg had from 1839 until 1867. Simultaneously a monarchy within the German Confederation AND a province of the Netherlands. I distinctly remember Luxemburg celebrating the 150th anniversary of its independence in 1989! Luxemburg became a fully independent country only in 1839.Gerard von Hebel (talk) 02:35, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Please see the terms and boundaries distinguishing the Kingdom of the Netherlands from the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg as stipulated in the Congress of Vienna 1815 Treaty, Articles LXV - LXVIII: There it is clear that the United Provinces and the Belgic Provinces constitute the Kingdom of the Netherlands, stopping at the border of Luxembourg, which is specifically stated to be a distinct entity in which the King-Grand Duke was free to establish a different line of succession from that of the Netherlands -- which is why those countries are now ruled by different sovereigns and dynasties. Indeed, the Dutch king's executive authority was required to be exercised in the Grand Duchy by a prince of his dynasty who lived in Luxembourg. During the split-off of Belgium, Luxembourg was dominated by political leaders and prime ministers called Orangists who successfully prevented the grand duchy's annexation to Belgium. A united monarchy does not have a separate order of succession for different areas within the same kingdom. If the succession, the borders and the title of the realms are different, the two monarchies are in personal union rather than being two provinces of a single country. Reliable sources to the contrary would be necessary for this article to say otherwise. FactStraight (talk) 03:50, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your comment FactStraight. The fact that the Grand Duchy's borders were determined in this treaty doesn't mean it became a sovereign state at that point. Encarta and a version of the Enc. Britannica that I have seen state that Luxembourg was ruled as a Province of the Netherlands until 1839. There is indeed a sourced reference on Wikipedia in the article Luxembourg 1989 that states that on the 19th April of that year, Luxembourg celebrated its 150th anniversary as an independent state. I suppose the status of the territory must have been something like a condominium. I will look into it further however. The fact that Luxembourg and the Netherlands had different succession rules in this period does not come into this I think. It is perfectly possible for a subordinate monarchy to have a different ruler than the Kingdom it hails to and that has happened in the past. Notably in Schleswig Holstein were the Dukes of Beck, Glücksburg and Augustenburg ruled parts of the country nominally under the Dukes of Glückstadt (aka the Danish Kings) and earlier the Gottorp Dukes.... The Wiki article in the Luxembourg language version also states that Luxemburg only became a sovereign state in 1839, although keeping the Dutch King as it's monarch. This was a very strange legal situation... Gerard von Hebel (talk) 04:37, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Also I wonder how this article should be interpreted:

"ART. LXVII. That part of the old Duchy of Luxembourg which is comprised in the in the limits specified in the following Article, is likewise ceded to the sovereign prince of the United Provinces, now King of the Netherlands, to be possessed in perpetuity by him and his successors, in full property and sovereignty. The Sovereign of the Netherlands shall add to his titles that of Grand Duke of Luxembourg. His Majesty reserving to himself the privilege of making such family arrangement between the princes his sons, relative to the succession to the Grand Duchy, as he shall think conformable to the interests of his monarchy, and to his paternal intentions."

As I see it the language adds to the previous article in which the Kingdom is defined. It is clearly given to the King in his capacity as King of the Netherlands. Much like the Grand Duchy of Posen was given to the King of Prussia. But we are dealing with a primary source here. We need secondary sources. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 04:59, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

I changed the text of the section somewhat again and added some references. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 13:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

This theme may be even more complicated: Luxembourg still had (three up to four) representatives at the Frankfurt Parliament in 1848 and 1849 and was listed as "Wahlkreis Luxemburg" = "election district Luxembourg" (Johann Boch-Buschmann, Carl München, Emmanuel Servais and Jean-Jacques Willmar), three of them - even at that time - still voting for Luxembourg's participation in a German national state under prussian leadership under certain conditions (possibly being a difficult and demanding fact and appearing strange after 20th century's history). The customs union did not cease before the first World War's end.

The sources won't be sufficient, however: --Nierskiesel (talk) 19:47, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't see Luxembourgs continuing participation in the German Confederation as a problem in this context. The Confederation consisted of sovereign countries. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 21:53, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

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French Language Imperialism In Luxembourg[edit]

Seems French/Francophone nationalists at again spiking English language wikis to fit their bent... '"Though Luxembourgish is part of the West Central German group of High German languages, more than 5,000 words in the language are of French origin"' So then, weighing up the aforesaid, why not also mention that an hang-over of French imperialism, is that the status of the French language is artificially enforced and kept alive by Government decree. Another kindred example, Luxembourg dubiously being a member of the Francophonie organisation seemingly just to big up French state pride.

PS don't forget to link this aticle to French language imperialism wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:41, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Considering that 96% of the population speaks French either as native speakers or secondary speakers (and 71% for German, and possibly even less for Luxembourgish) your Francophobic statement about "artificially enforcement" is false. You'll have a bigger chance of being understood in stores throughout the country if you speak French, rather than Luxembourgish or German, or English.--Scotchorama (talk) 14:15, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
As a Luxembourgish native who happens to be both fluent in German and French, I would like to specify that while it is true that we have a bunch of French words in our language, it is undeniably of Germanic root and much closer to German than French. We chose French as official language out of spite over WWII. As for getting understood in store, you might want to add that this is due to most shop employees being French or Belgian. As for the part of the population speaking French at 96%, that number strikes me as incredibly high. I think we also need to differentiate between native citizens and immigrated population when talking about linguistic affinities.
Last but not least, yes, it is true that there is a level of francophobic feelings in Luxembourg. When you speak Luxembourgish and a store clerk replies with a blunt "parlez Francais!" without saying "pourriez-vous" or "s'il-vous-plaît", can't realy be surprised that the native population does not hold too much sympath for the French and their language in general. I love the langue de Molière, but some people need to stop having that Grande Nation attitude wherever they go, espcially when in a different country.2001:7E8:C6CB:8D01:456F:4E1B:B0D4:CA6E (talk) 20:23, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

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