Talk:MAS-36 rifle

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"Not highly sought after"?[edit]

Says who? There are several internet forums devoted to the MAS36 and its variants.

The price of these rifles has risen steadily since the release of rifles from French military storage---someone is buying them, and enough "someones" that demand is causing prices to increase due to the limited supply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.202.179.139 (talk) 09:22, 19 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Last bolt-action rifle to be adopted?[edit]

I added the qualifier "one of the last" because the bolt action M-44 and variants were subsequently adopted by the USSR and the People's Republic of China until replaced by the SKS and AK-47 variants. --Cosmoline 06:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the M44 was just a variant of the Mosin-Nagant so I don't think that's entirely correct.--Sus scrofa 13:43, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The PRC didn't even exist yet when France adopted the MAS-36. When they adopted the M44 Mosin-Nagant as the Type 53 rifle in 1953, that was a case of a major army adopting a bolt-action infantry rifle. And then there's the Indian adoption of the Ishapore 2A in 1963. India has one of the world's largest armies, so surely that counts. — Red XIV ^(talk) 05:55, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hm. The People's Liberation Army had used the Mosin-Nagant since the 1920s long before the establishment of the PRC, and the Ishapore was a reserve arm, 7,62 mm variant of earlier Lee-Enfields so I don't know if those counts. It seems that in both of the cases at hand the two armies decided to keep old rifles, not adopt new ones. It might be that the distinction is unimportant, but I think it is significant that France decided on a new bolt-action rifle as late as 1936 even if the wording in question has to be changed.--Sus scrofa 11:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

False Reference[edit]

According to the Smithsonian Institution[1]..

Smith, W.H.B., Small Arms of the World, Military Service Publishing Company, 1957,

DOES NOT EXIST...The only book written by that author in 1957 was...

Gas, Air, and Spring Guns of the World. Harrisburg, PA: MIlitary Service Publishing Co., 1957.

The following is a list of said authors books...

Smith, W.H.B.

Gas, Air, and Spring Guns of the World. Harrisburg, PA: MIlitary Service Publishing Co., 1957.

Book of Pistols and Revolvers. Harrisburg, PA: Stackpole Company, 1962.

Book of Rifles. Harrisburg, PA: Stackpole Company, 1962.

Walther Pistols and Rifles. Harrisburg, PA: Stackpole Company, 1962.

Mauser Rifles and Pistols. Harrisburg, PA: Stackpole Company, 1974. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.22.156.40 (talk) 01:11, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

FALSE REFERENCE[edit]

According to the Smithsonian Institution[2]..

Smith, W.H.B., Small Arms of the World, Military Service Publishing Company, 1957,

DOES NOT EXIST...The only book written by that author in 1957 was...

Gas, Air, and Spring Guns of the World. Harrisburg, PA: MIlitary Service Publishing Co., 1957.

The following is a list of said authors books...

Smith, W.H.B.

Gas, Air, and Spring Guns of the World. Harrisburg, PA: MIlitary Service Publishing Co., 1957.

Book of Pistols and Revolvers. Harrisburg, PA: Stackpole Company, 1962.

Book of Rifles. Harrisburg, PA: Stackpole Company, 1962.

Walther Pistols and Rifles. Harrisburg, PA: Stackpole Company, 1962.

Mauser Rifles and Pistols. Harrisburg, PA: Stackpole Company, 1974. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.22.156.40 (talk) 01:15, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Smithsonian list is a "selective bibliography" and not an exhaustive list; there does seem to be a book by a Walter Harold Black Smith named Small arms of the world: the basic manual of military small arms, American British, Russian, German, Italian, Japanese, and all other important nations, although Google books [3] has its year of publication as 1955 and not 1957.--Sus scrofa (talk) 07:32, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for responding so quickly...I also tried the "Library of Congress" but found nothing. It did not occur to me to check for an error within the reference itself. Nevertheless, the user who posted said reference, also posted highly biased unreferenced statements that were contrary well established knowledge. So, until said user clarifies said reference I'm inclined to call it a false reference and reject it. However, if you could find copy of "Small arms of the world: the basic manual of military small arms, American British, Russian, German, Italian, Japanese, and all other important nations, 1955" and confirm the information in that book, then we can restore the edit and correct the reference...."In an unusual feature, the rifle magazine floor could be removed and a detachable high capacity box magazine used in the place of the internal 5 round magazine....Smith, W.H.B., Small Arms of the World, Military Service Publishing Company, 1957, p. 397-398" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.22.156.40 (talk) 19:09, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for a bit of confusion on this - I think the problem here is that the book in question was initially published in 1943, and the copy I took this information out of was the 1957 printing. There were many editions published, including one for 1955, and I mistakenly used the printing year, rather then the edition year. I took pictures of the book to demonstrate its veracity.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/718/dsc00159kw.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/252/dsc00161nh.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/221/dsc00163l.jpg/

Is that acceptable? Jmcanon92 (talk) 22:34, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There most certainly is a 1957 version of Small Arms of the World by WHB Smith. That was when the 7th edition was released. An online copy can be accessed at http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/Library/BookPage.aspx?bid=FW0004770&sid=857&pid=529

Small Arms of the World is such a universally recognized standard reference that I have to doubt 71.22.156.40's competence with regard to anything involving small arms. This is not unlike someone claiming expertise in English composition and not recognizing the existence of the OED. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.167.195.99 (talk) 01:56, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]