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This article combines the Muggle and Magical Schools (Harry Potter) pages.
The article Spells and spell-like magic in the world of Harry Potter, formerly List of spells in Harry Potter that ended up losing the list, has been merged here.It had a talk page, with no open discussions, viewable here.

The "Communicating with the dead" section[edit]

Rowling says it is impossible in her universe to resurrect the dead, so this section's claim that "raising What exactly happens when the Resurrection stone is used? Are the dead really brought back? Or just representations of them? This needs to be cleared up before that essay can go back in. Serendipodous 15:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The Ressurrection Stone is just a misnomer, it basically just brings a spirit back to the real world, but it doesn't make them mortal again. --Jammy (talk) 23:36, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

That is exactly right, as shown by "The Tale of the Three Brothers" (HP7, and also readable in "The Tales of Beedle the Bard" on the Amazon website). -- 217.171.129.70 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 13:17, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Why the heck is this article listed among the Satanist and Occultist wikiprojects?[edit]

What exactly are we trying to prove here? That Christian fundamentalist loonies are right? Serendipodous 16:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't know, perhaps someone should remove it. Obviously someone has put it there by mistake. --Jammy (talk) 23:32, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

The Gamp's Law Section[edit]

It is not mentioned anywhere in the series, nor in any other piece of canon, that the information in this section is true. While it is true that these things may not be magicked, it is confirmed nowhere that they are the Five Principal Exceptions to Gamp's Law of Elemental Transfiguration. Indeed, the section seems to me to be largely composed of OR, and I suggest that it is removed entirely from the article. --CBrock055 00:14, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Are you sure it's not mentioned anywhere in the series? I don't have the books with me, but this forum post suggests that Gamp's Law is mentioned by name in Deathly Hallows and that there are five exceptions to it. If I had the book, I could look it up. Anyone else? --clpo13(talk) 00:19, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I may have been a bit unclear in my post. What I meant was that the info in that section is completely non-canon and composed of OR, not that Gamp's Law was never mentioned. In the seventh book, yes, Gamp's Law is mentioned. However, the only exception that was canonically given was food. Whoever wrote that section of the article was clearly making assumptions, and, as far as I'm aware, mere assumptions do not qualify for inclusion in an encyclopedic article, even if it is about the laws of magic in a fictional world. =) --CBrock055 19:52, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Ah, okay. There's a reference in that section that points to a bunch of quotes by J. K. Rowling about the rules of magic, and I think most of that section came from there, but I'm not really sure. If you want to trim it down to what's just referenced in the book, I wouldn't be opposed to it, but I think having a third opinion would be good before making such drastic changes.

--clpo13(talk) 04:26, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I have not been able to find any hint that information cannot be magicked; J.K. said that "you cannot find someone just by writing them a letter and then tracing the owl", but claiming that no information can be obtained magically is a bit overstretching that sentence.85.18.101.3 (talk) 11:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Since when have love, life or information been "objects"? I very much doubt that these are three of the exceptions to Gamp's Law, although it's true that they cannot be conjured. -- 217.171.129.70 (talk) 14:14, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Clp013, the source you give here doesn't mention Gamps Law at all really, just says that there are laws. I do not recall a mention of information, but I will leave it there as I clean up the section, simply because I may well have missed it. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 08:29, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Is "life" really one of the Five Principal Exceptions to Gamp's Law of Elemental Transfiguration? We've seen wizards create both animals (Avis spell) and plants (Orchideous spell). Maybe the one who wrote it meant "bringing back people from the dead"; in that case shouldn't it be changed to "soul"? 84.90.61.144 (talk) 19:25, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Potions?[edit]

There's some detail on spellcasting technique but barely a mention of potions, though from book 6 it's clear that not just ingredients but technique can make a big difference in potion making. Should there be a small section on magical potions too? JackSeoul (talk) 14:03, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Apparition[edit]

I woul dispute the claim that this being "sometimes accompanied by a distinctive cracking or popping sound" is "associated with ineptitude rather than success"; after all, the sound is clearly non-magical in cause, being that of the air molecules being violently forced out of the way (arrival) or rushing to fill the sudden vacuum (departure). I don't doubt that skilled magicians can counteract this with another spell (perhaps by Apparating the air that would be displaced on arrival, into the space left by departure?), but I don't see how failure to do this amounts to ineptitude at Apparition itself. -- 217.171.129.70 (talk) 14:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Portkeys[edit]

Portkeys should be listed after the Floo Network as they are both used for travel. --Bending Unit (talk) 15:06, 2 June 2008 (UTC)Bending Unit

Inferi[edit]

Should a comparison be made between Inferi and the bodies in the Dead Marshes in the Lord of the Rings? IIRC, in LotR, the bodies try to drag Frodo down don't they, similar to the Inferi trying to drown intruders to Voldemort's cave. Or am I clutching at straws? TheTrojanHought (talk) 20:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I think that's what we consider to be OR. Sorry. It was an interesting point though. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 04:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Spoiler[edit]

After glancing through the first few sections, I think this article needs a spoiler tag. A big blinky one,(just in case).

Don't want to do it myself though. 91.109.70.127 (talk) 06:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Had this discussion last year. Outcome was no spoiler tags, be they blinky or not. Sorry. WP:SPOIL tells why. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 07:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Book reference is wrong[edit]

After reading the Wiki article I found a discrepancy.

" Albus Dumbledore told Harry after finding the magically concealed boat to reach the locket Horcrux that "Magic always leaves traces...sometimes distinctive traces..."

This was, infact, in the 6th book, The Half-Blood Prince. Or atleast I"m pretty sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.43.103 (talk) 04:11, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Need a Magic study section[edit]

The magic in Harry Potter series is seen as equivalent to science of our world. Known researches included the Philosopher's stone etc. And there is also journal named "Transfiguration Today". So this part of magic should be included in the article. Dreamback1116 (talk) 13:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


Religion[edit]

The article states, "There is no mention in any of the books of an afterlife consisting of heaven or hell, or of any religion." Yet there are references to celebrating Christian holidays: Christmas and Easter as official school holidays where many return home. I suggest omitting the end of the sentence: "or of any religion." That phrase adds nothing to this particular entry.

Unforgivables[edit]

It should be noted in this section that Molly Weasley implicitly used the Killing Curse on Bellatrix Lestrange in The Deathly Hallows. It is the only confirmed used of Avada Kedavara by a "good character," albeit as a non-verbal spell. In-text, Harry even notes how similar Lestrange's death is to Sirius's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.42.96.157 (talk) 05:08, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:29, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Magic in Harry PotterMagic (Harry Potter) — I think the new name better befits naming standards. Compare other articles in the Magic disambiguation page. Carl Sixsmith (talk) 20:33, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

  • Oppose. I think this is a better title. We may consider moving other articles to match. Powers T 23:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Photographs[edit]

I think two sections were merged into one, because it went from talking about photographs to ghosts. Can someone please fix it? 143.200.225.110 (talk) 09:35, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Speak of photograpsh, it is stated that "figures in Wizarding pictures do not reflect the emotions or actions of their counterparts in the real world" but later contradicts when Percy appeared to have walked out of it".[23] It is also mentioned that in a photo (taken by Colin Creevey) of Gilderoy Lockhart and Harry, Harry's picture had walked out and was resisting all of Lockhart's efforts to pull him back in." Are those two not reflecting the emotions or actions of their counterparts in the real world ? Because Percy was bitter with his family when his picture left the frame and Harry did not want to be be photographed with Lockhart. 143.200.225.110 (talk) 03:29, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Something wrong with your Horocrux section[edit]

Yeah you guys need to fix the Horocrux section of this page. It's all messed up.-James Pandora Adams —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.176.130.194 (talk) 17:29, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Magical resistance[edit]

The paragraph states that "wizards and witches can resist certain spells with the power of their own sheer will." I am pretty sure that the Imperius Curse, which is used as an example, is the only spell that can be resisted by willpower but I did not edit because I am not sure. (Though I did change it from "...can resist a spell..." since most spells cannot be resisted with one's mind, rather they need to be dodged or stopped with a counter spell, for example, "Expelliarmus".)

Should this page be tagged as containing original research?[edit]

Should this page be tagged as containing original research? I see that this page is full of unsourced content. However, one might argue that the few amount of inline citations is understandable and we should Ignore all rules. I believe that this page contains loads of original research. --Mr. Guye (talk) 19:21, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

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