Talk:Malcolm X

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NOI attitude to violence[edit]

I'm getting a feeling from this article and sources that prior to 1964 the NOI was actually trying to reign in Malcolm's agitation towards mayhem, and that this was a big initial part of their difference. If other sources bear this out, the article should clearly reflect it. Rumiton (talk) 16:20, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the NOI reining in Malcolm's inclination toward mayhem, but one of Manning Marable's points in Malcolm X: A Life of Reinvention is that Malcolm was trying to become more politically active and the NOI was opposed to that. He cites the 1962 death of Ronald Stokes, a Muslim who was killed by the LAPD, as a real turning point in the relationship between Malcolm and Elijah Muhammad. You can read a relevant excerpt from A Life of Reinvention here. One of these days I'll add something about Stokes' killing to this article. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:14, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for that, I might have a go in the next few days. I think it illustrates that Malcolm was not always a moderating influence. Rumiton (talk) 07:08, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Had a go. Like everything else, totally up for discussion. Rumiton (talk) 16:21, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Death threats and intimidation from Nation of Islam[edit]

What is this REDIRECT stuff that has appeared in this section? Rumiton (talk) 14:00, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Rumiton. Could you clarify? I don't see the word "REDIRECT" in the text of that section, nor do any of the Wikilinks there appear to be redirects. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 18:13, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi Malik. Today it is not there anymore. One of those Wiki-mysteries. Thanks for your help. Rumiton (talk) 05:21, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

John Ali[edit]

I saw this part of the text : "John Ali (later exposed as an undercover FBI agent)" and the source provided does not prove him to be one, so I was wondering, was he really ?

I read never, ever read anything that proved he was an FBI agent, outside of blog posts and conspiracy theories, just that a lot of people believed him to be one. As anyone got an actual source ? Maybe an FBI FOIA or something ?

Thank you, Jhereem — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:15, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi Jhereem. Our article cites Louis Lomax's To Kill a Black Man: The Shocking Parallel in the Lives of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr., p. 198. Unfortunately, my copy is currently in storage and it's not searchable online. A Google search found a number of books that cite Lomax as a source for this information, of which this is one example:
I don't know whether anybody has reviewed Ali's FBI file, and I don't know if the FBI would acknowledge whether Ali was an agent in any event. If you're interested, here's a link to start. Face-smile.svg — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:30, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Happy to wait for your Lomax, but a half hour search just found only "former FBI agent" and "widely believed to be an informant." It appears the article statement may be too strong. Rumiton (talk) 03:44, 24 June 2015 (UTC) I changed the statement to remove the previous suggestion that Ali's agitation against MX was an FBI-led incitement to the NOI to murder him. Rumiton (talk) 04:32, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2015[edit]

Please take out the part that says that Malcolm engaged in gay sex and there's no need for anything to replace that. There is no proof of these accusations. Sheba28 (talk) 23:16, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: That sentence is sourced to two biographies, which were based on interviews with dozens of people who knew Malcolm X—including some who participated in gay sex alongside Malcolm Little. To say that "there is no proof" is just wrong. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 00:41, 13 July 2015 (UTC)