Talk:Malik Arslan/GA1
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Nominator: Aintabli (talk · contribs) 23:06, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Crisco 1492 (talk · contribs) 13:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Image review
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Prose review
[edit]- the Mamluk Sultan Sayf al-Din Inal (r. 1453–61) as a declaration of his allegiance to the Mamluk Sultanate. The Mamluk sultan favored - Why not use his name here?
Done
- In the spring of 1365 - per MOS:SEASON, we should use an alternative to "spring", as that would be late 1365 in the southern hemisphere.
- Changed to
second quarter
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- The Mamluk Sultan Khushqadam sought Malik Arslan's support - Why not just "Khushqadam"?
- Done
- his proximity to - per Oxford, proximity refers to physical or temporal closeness; this was more of an alliance or a familiarity. Another synonym for "closeness" would work better here
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ties
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- You link Turkmen to Turkoman (ethnonym) here but Oghuz Turks at Shah Budak. Which is correct?
- I believe since one is a term for the other, the latter might be more appropriate than the former unless that term is specifically discussed or emphasized. I don't feel strong about it, and many articles do not follow this principle. This is more or less a grey area. Aintabli (talk) 03:00, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Source review
[edit]- All references appear reliable'
Comprehensiveness
[edit]- Enter, Riding on an Elephant: How to Approach Early Ottoman Edirne gives Malik Arslan as the brother to Sittişah Hatun, and suggests that he escorted her to her wedding with Mehmed II. It also mentions a depiction of the two arriving in the Ottaman capital as serving as the frontispiece to a manuscript; if a digital copy is available online, that may offer us a (near?) contemporary depiction of Malik Arslan.
- This is abolutely wonderful. I have found the publication that source referred to. Actually, I have seen that depiction of Malik Arslan before, but some poor-quality news sites implied it was Mehmed II's portrait, and I couldn't find any RS supporting it was Malik Arslan until now. So, I have uploaded the picture to Commons and cited the relevant source that identifies him as the man in the manuscript. Thank you! Aintabli (talk) 18:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- That's excellent! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- This is abolutely wonderful. I have found the publication that source referred to. Actually, I have seen that depiction of Malik Arslan before, but some poor-quality news sites implied it was Mehmed II's portrait, and I couldn't find any RS supporting it was Malik Arslan until now. So, I have uploaded the picture to Commons and cited the relevant source that identifies him as the man in the manuscript. Thank you! Aintabli (talk) 18:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not seeing any other sources, but I will have a look through the Wikipedia library when I get home.
- I will follow up on this. Aintabli (talk) 03:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I just tried a few different repositories. I see Wikilala has numerous sources mentioning "Malik" or "Melik Arslan", but based on a spotcheck of one 1941 publication these seem to be individuals who share the name. Searching for Malik or Melik Arslan plus Dulkadir gave me nothing. But then, I don't speak Turkish, so I don't know if there are any strings that could produce results. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Crisco 1492, Yes, there is at least one other Malik Arslan from the Seljuk dynasty and another in the Dulkadir dynasty. This isn't the main issue, though. Yinanç is such a definitive source that it is constantly cited by most other sources, which naturally do not reveal any new details on him and his reign. There are some bits that Yinanç does not mention. For example, I don't remember reading that Malik Arslan escorted his sister to her wedding in Yinanç's book (but I might have forgotten that part while editing). Two sources I know that complement the info obscured by Yinanç is Har-El and Öztuna's books. Other than that, it will probably take months until we can find a source that can add minuscule details that were missing. All in all, I was unable to find an extraordinary source with significant content to add to this article. I have added Singer, Öztuna and a few more citations for Har-El. Aintabli (talk) 16:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- No worries. If there aren't sources, there aren't sources. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:14, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I know of a book that has a bunch of Armenian colophons [1], which are often ignored by historians concentrated in Islamic history. One colophon mentions Malik Arslan:
. .. [copied] in the year 928 of the Haykazean Era [A.D. 1479], during the amirate of Melik' Asian Tullatarc'i [Malik Arslan, the Dhu'lKadrid], of the nation of archers [azgin netolac'] . ..
- Sadly, this doesn't include any clearly identifiable info on him. Aintabli (talk) 16:17, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Crisco 1492, Yes, there is at least one other Malik Arslan from the Seljuk dynasty and another in the Dulkadir dynasty. This isn't the main issue, though. Yinanç is such a definitive source that it is constantly cited by most other sources, which naturally do not reveal any new details on him and his reign. There are some bits that Yinanç does not mention. For example, I don't remember reading that Malik Arslan escorted his sister to her wedding in Yinanç's book (but I might have forgotten that part while editing). Two sources I know that complement the info obscured by Yinanç is Har-El and Öztuna's books. Other than that, it will probably take months until we can find a source that can add minuscule details that were missing. All in all, I was unable to find an extraordinary source with significant content to add to this article. I have added Singer, Öztuna and a few more citations for Har-El. Aintabli (talk) 16:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I just tried a few different repositories. I see Wikilala has numerous sources mentioning "Malik" or "Melik Arslan", but based on a spotcheck of one 1941 publication these seem to be individuals who share the name. Searching for Malik or Melik Arslan plus Dulkadir gave me nothing. But then, I don't speak Turkish, so I don't know if there are any strings that could produce results. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 15:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I will follow up on this. Aintabli (talk) 03:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- The article on Shah Budak indicates that Malik Arslan's son contested the throne as well; might be worth a mention here
- Added it to the last section. Aintabli (talk) 03:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Conclusion
[edit]- Short and sweet. This is very close to passing the GA review. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Alright, based on this review, I believe that the article meets the GA criteria. Congratulations! If you are interested, the article can be nominated for the Did You Know? proess, with a fact from the article appearing on the main page. I am also able to nominate on your behalf, if need be. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:14, 30 September 2024 (UTC)