Talk:Manchester Grammar School

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Assessment[edit]

Looking critically for brilliant writing

Wikipedia:Good article criteria

It's not the quantity of material that is holding this article back- but the lack of accurate in-line quotes. It is obvious that people care about the prose and the structure but a little time spent getting the citations right would be more useful. So an afternoon spent in the library with a copy of J A Graham and B A Phythian putting page numbers to the citations would be helpful. Learn to use the citation reference system, you can use the Didsbury page to see exactly how references should be placed. Be aware that the school website may not be considered a reliable independent source for other than trivial facts (such as timing of the school day). Imagine what the article would look like if all the paragraphs that are not supported by inline quotes are zapped- in can happen!

Help is almost instantly available by putting a request on this page. --ClemRutter (talk) 23:33, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Original Research/Unverifiable Content[edit]

A lot of this article (especially the 'Buildings' section, the 'Life at the School' section, and the 'Community Action' section) is unverifiable, and is quite probably original research. WP:NOR very obviously, and explicitly, states that articles must not contain OR. Even if there is no original research, WP:V very obviously, and explicitly, states that articles must be verifiable. Both WP:NOR and WP:V are core content policies, and really shouldn't be ignored. If this content stays unverified, it may be removed, so someone needs to verify a lot of the content (the 'Buildings' section, the 'Life at the School' section, and the 'Community Action' section), presumably whoever added it. Jdp407 (talk) 14:49, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

I see the above editorial intervention has met with the response it deserves over the past nine months. But as a gesture of forgiveness, here at least is a source for the architects of the original Fallowfield building, which has just been circulated by the school itself in reproduction. It is the 1931 building appeal, over the signature of the then Chairman and deputy Chairman of the governors, the Treasurer, and the High Master, Douglas Miller. It names the architects credited in the article, and also indicates that Worthington (a name to conjure with in Victorian Manchester)had that year been honoured with the King's Gold Medal of the RIBA, and that Jones was himself an Old Mancunian, and the son of a revered member of staff. It also mentions the JL Paton Library and the Memorial Hall. Just exactly what is so unverifiable about buildings?46.64.179.37 (talk) 19:04, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Where and how can I (or an historian who is interested) verify the contents of the 1931 building appeal?
By the way, you're an editor too. Everyone who edits these pages is an editor. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:19, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
You can verify the contents of the 1931 building appeal by contacting the school. I know that this can't be done by a google search, but it seems unlikely that the IP or anyone else is fabricating the information. Dingo1729 (talk) 22:21, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Does this document have an ISSN or ISBN? A has a copy been lodged at the relevant libraries? Wikipedia can only use secondary sources- the act of gathering information is what Wikipedia calls original research. WP:NOR very obviously, and explicitly, states that articles must not contain OR. There are several ways forward, it would be great if some of the academics working at MGS shared their skills by editing Wikipedia, they would be most welcome. If a group of staff wish to approach Wikipedia say by contacting any editor listed at m:Meetup/Manchester/21 courses can be arranged on Wikipedia editing- and maybe even a Wikipedian in Residence appointed. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 00:26, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Given that the school has (or recently had) its own full-time archivist, the idea of a WiR, either full-time or part-time, additional or replacement, etc, would be (as the northerners allegedly still say) a grand idea! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:14, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Demiurge will either be aware of Pevsner or not. That would seem to be a card-carrying secondary source. I'd have cited the Lancashire volumes If I'd had them, or been aware that they have now morphed into more than two. A current one apparently covering South East Lancashire will certainly have the school buildings, though how far updated beyond the late 1960s I can't say. The original editorial comment which irked me, incidentally, originated from someone based in Cheshire. It seemed better to quote a printed source I could lay my hands on immediately. it also contains the names of early contributors to the 1931 building fundDelahays (talk) 13:16, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

I have added further tags to the article. See above for advice. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 10:17, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Member of Staff[edit]

In response to an invitation from User:ClemRutter I am proposing to help update this article. My name is Simon Duffy and I am a regular user of Wikipedia. I have been a teacher at the Manchester Grammar School in Manchester since September 1985 and am currently the Head of the Computing Department.[1] I make all edits in a personal capacity not as an agent of MGS, and if any Wikipedian feels that an edit I have made is controversial they should revert it and flag it up on the talkpage which other Wikipedians are watching. One of my main aims is to improve the contents and quality of the article about Manchester Grammar School using Norwich School (independent school) as a model. I was a biology teacher at Norwich School between 1981 and 1985.Serendipityrules (talk) 08:44, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

User:Serendipityrules, I suggest you start with a bibliography section. Here's a couple of books to get you going: [1] and [2]. Good luck! Oncenawhile (talk) 21:32, 3 February 2015 (UTC)