Talk:Mandatory Palestine

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Please see Talk:British Mandate of Palestine (disambiguation)#Disambiguation tidy up. Onceinawhile (talk) 08:19, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

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Area[edit]

The area of the Palestinian Mandate is 26,582 km (10,263 sq mi) --- 135.23.145.49 (talk) 13:46, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

I realize this is a Very Contentious topic, but I was under the impression that the original British Mandate designated all of what is now Israel, Palestinian Authority, Golan Height, and Transjordan as "Palestine". That when the Brits partitioned off Transjordan in 1922, there was a plausible argument that what was left in the Mandate qualified as the Jewish National Homeland expressed in the Balfour Declaration and the San Remo Conference. Sussmanbern (talk) 23:20, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

You have accurately described a well known propaganda meme, which is provably false. Onceinawhile (talk) 15:11, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Do you have a source for this "plausible" opinion? The Franco British Boundary Agreements determined the final division between French and English Mandates while the Transjordan matter is explained in this article.Selfstudier (talk) 08:17, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
@Sussmanbern: - the transjordan issue is complex (note that the issue isn't entire Tranjordan - but just the portion of Tranjordan adjacent to the river) - however regardless of the merits/claims it wasn't part of the actual mandate. The Golan heights are a different matter entirely - they were in the French zone (there was a Jewish settlement in the Hauran area and some land ownership by Palestine Jewish Colonization Association (nationalized by the Syrian gvmt in 1948) - some 6,000 dunam in the Golan area, and 53,000 dunam east of the modern cease-fire line) - the Golan was never part of the British Mandate.Icewhiz (talk) 08:28, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
While the Golan was not a part of the British Mandate (Mandatory Palestine), it was indeed a part of Ottoman Palestine. Here, in Israel, our public diplomacy (hasbara) often stresses the fact the Syria had not possessed the Golan-heights region, until only in very recent history.Davidbena (talk) 13:12, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Sorry Davidbena but I can't let that pass. The Golan was part of the Ottoman Vilayet of Syria. The Ottoman Empire never had a region called Palestine which included the Golan. Perhaps you are thinking of the claim that the Golan was in Palestine until the British gave it to the French. There is a tiny bit of truth to it: as shown in this map a small sliver of the Golan passed from British into French hands in 1923. At the same time a larger sliver of Lebanon passed from French into British hands. In total, Palestine grew by 13 villages. Zerotalk 14:52, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes, Zero, I was thinking of the fact that the Golan passed from the British into French hands in 1923, but I was also thinking of what happened after that time - in 1948, with the very lands that were previously controlled by the Ottoman Turks before 1917. Syria and Jordan and Egypt have not offered any tenable legal justification for their twenty year presence within the frontiers of the former Mandated Territory of Palestine. This was territory for the disposition of which the General Assembly of the United Nations by its conduct in 1947 and 1948 assumed responsibility. Yet, neither the UN General Assembly, nor indeed any other authority lawfully vested with control over the areas occupied by Syria, Jordan and Egypt, ever granted those States rights within Palestinian frontiers. Syria, Jordan and Egypt entered and retained parts of Palestine by force of arms. In any rate, the hegemonic control over the Golan has changed hands many times. It was once controlled by Herod the Great and Agrippa II, and at other times by Rome.Davidbena (talk) 15:10, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
One more thing: In terms of ancient Jewish legal codes, parts of the Golan were settled by the returnees from the Babylonian captivity, and which made it forevermore the legal bounds of Israel, requiring Jews in any age or dispensation, or under any hegemonic power, to regard such territories as binding as far as the separation of tithes and Seventh-year restrictions are concerned. See Baraita of the Boundaries where it brings down the ancient Jewish tradition that Kefar Yaḥrīb, Nob, and Ḥisfiyyah - places all in the Golan Heights - were old Israeli settlements dating back to Israel's return from Babylonia in ca. 352 BCE and whose produce grown in such places thenceforth were (and still are) forbidden to eat until tithed. It goes without saying that produce grown outside the Land of Israel is exempt from tithing, unless required by rabbinic ordinance.Davidbena (talk) 18:03, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
No more things......please.Selfstudier (talk) 21:45, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

It would appear that I was seriously mistaken/misinformed. I request that someone knowledgeable enlarge the article to clarify/debunk and otherwise address these important (if unsubstantiated) contentions, as (external to this page) I am not the only one so misinformed. Sussmanbern (talk) 06:12, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

See FAQ Selfstudier (talk) 21:45, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Comment[edit]

This is a revisionist article. The Mandate for Palestine included both modern Israel, West Bank, Gaza, Jordan. All of it. Amman was in Palestine, for example. Then the Brits split Mandatory Palestine area into "palestine" and "transjordan", giving the Arabs nearly 80% of Palestine in the form of Transjordan.

you are mistaken (you are repeating false propaganda). Please see the FAQ above. Transjordan was “added” to the mandate, not split. Onceinawhile (talk) 17:15, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Actually I am not mistaken, and there are numerous maps, historical accounts, and literature listing the British mandate for Palestine as containing the whole area. In fact, why did they not call it British mandate for Transjordan.... Because Transjordan and Cisjordan were the two parts of Palestine. Transjordan was split from Palestine in 1922. See a sample map here http://www-personal.umich.edu/~sarhaus/MapsAndTimelines/Fall2007/Gryniewicz/British_Mandate_of_Palestine_files/250px-BritishMandatePalestine1920.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:40F:600:1ABB:1987:5557:F3C5:CAF6 (talk) 18:29, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Please stop embarrassing yourself.
Just read the mandate legal instrument article. It is all explained there. If you are too lazy to make the effort to understand, noone will bother interacting with you any further. Onceinawhile (talk) 19:30, 19 August 2018 (UTC)