Talk:Manx cat/Archive 2

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Reference to Scottish Fold

Resolved: No apparent objections to these changes is over 4 years.

I have deleted the sentence, stating that the Fold has similar problems. The crippling effect, or Osteochondrodysplasia in Scottish Fold cats as it is called in scientific literature, is not a similar effect, and it has nothing to do with a lethal factor.
Evpreiss 15:13, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Links to cat clubs

Resolved: Wikipedia policies and guidelines already address appropriate and inappropriate linking. Just follow them.

I think, references and external links shall be neutral and shall not reflect any prevalence for any club or any organization.
Breeding councils are existing in many cat organizations and the listed BC is not the only one. Thus I suggest either to delete such a reference or to name also other BCs.
If clubs shall be referenced - which I'm not against, it gives a broader spectrum of opinions and information sources - then as many clubs as possible should be listed.
May be, you find that reference interesting:
The Beresford Club Cat shows are the most successful of any yet given in America. One hundred and seventy-eight prizes were awarded in the show of January, 1900, and some magnificent cats were shown. It is said by those who are in a position to know that there are no better cats shown in England now than can be seen at the Beresford Show in Chicago. The exhibits cover short and long haired cats of all colors, sizes, and ages, with Siamese cats, Manx cats, and Russian cats.
Chapter VII of Helen M. Winslow's book Concerning Cats, published by Lothrop Publishing Co., Boston, 1900
Mrs. Clarke also owns a real Manx cat, brought from the Isle of Man by Captain McKenzie. It acts like a monkey, climbing up on mantels and throwing down pictures and other small objects, in the regular monkey spirit of mischief. It has many queer attributes, and hops about like a rabbit.
Chapter VIII of the above mentioned book. 16:49, 4 June 2007 (UTC) Sorry, here is my signature:
Evpreiss 16:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a number of policies and guidelines that govern the uses and abuses of linking and other forms of promotion here: WP:EL, WP:SPAM, WP:COI, WP:NPOV, WP:NOT. This is not an article about cat clubs, and they should not be added to the "External links" section at all. When one is a reliable source (which is not often in the case of local/regional clubs) something it has published could possibly be cited as a reference in the "References" section. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 19:36, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


Resolved: Unsourced speculation and generalization.

Many Manx have special needs. Most require patience, healthy diets, & love. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

That's true of all pet breeds. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 19:29, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Are they really a breed/species or just a genetic anomaly?

Resolved: Breed status is reliably sourced; other questions answered.

I've recently retrieved a litter of kittens in my garden, and specifically one of the four kittens seemed to have a much shorter tail, it doesn't seem to be amputated, it just seems naturally short, and its legs are quite longer than usual, but his other fellow littermates don't really have those features, btw I'm from the Philippines if it helps.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:57, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

There are multiple sources cited as to them being a breed. They are not the only breed with short or no tails (cf. Japanese bobtail), and being from such a breed is not the only way to inherit a short-tail genetic mutation. They are not a species. All house catas are the same species (other than a few that are mixed-species half-breeds, such as the Bengal cat. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 19:39, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

The Manx breed, in spite of the absence of tail, has no problems with balance

Resolved: Sourcing challenge withdrawn and replaced with unsourced claim(!?).

Can someone please verify this, because it is counter-intuitive so the burden should be on the one claiming it to find a source. Thanks Eugene-elgato (talk) 19:13, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

OK, I think this is actually correct because balance is controlled in the ear; however maybe find a reference to clarify that if dropped they won't always land on their feet ? Eugene-elgato (talk) 13:17, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
{em|That}} would be an outlandish claim needing a reliable source, since it is wringer-like abdominal muscle action and a flexible spine (the same factors dogs use to shake water off of them) that account for cats' ability to right themselves in mid-fall, from a variable but guesstimable minimum height of about 3 feet/1 metre. The tail has little if anything to do with it. Cats' tails are very little of their body mass (contrast this with rats, for whom the proportionally massive and muscular tail serves many more purposes). I have a Manx right here. If I hold him upside down and let go, he flips over and lands on his feet and is displeased with me for five minutes, just like any other cat. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 19:11, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Add on

Resolved: Unsourced speculation and generalization.

I think you guys should add on to this page, (I have no clue on HTML) But things I noticed with my cat They get

  • Bad Hips
  • diabetes
  • Odd bouts of Runs (the shits)
  • When they get older they have problems with the litter box

They are very frendy, My cat was named buddy, and he was just like a dog, he would bring ball's back, —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Your cat's personal characteristics aren't really relevant to this article, which has to publish verifiable information from reliable sources in a neutral way. Hip and spine issues are already covered, as is somewhat "dog-like" behavior, as there are sources to cite regarding these factors. Things like diabetes, incontinence and mobility problems can happen to cats (and other animals, including humans) of all sorts in old age. We don't have a reliable source that such problems are particularly common among Manx cats. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō Contribs. 19:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)