Talk:Marine salvage

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Not in favour of merging with treasure diving, ship salvage is not very related, there is just a passing kmention of diving in the article. 18:00, 12 June 2006 154.5.132.51

It seems to me that treasure diving, marine salvage and marine salvage law should be three different articles. --Gbleem 13:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
They're different subjects; I can see keeping the salvage law content here until the articles get too big, though. Georgewilliamherbert 00:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Support merge. The treasure hunting article emphasises that this is a legal activity - however, it is only legal because it falls under the principles of marine salvage. The treasure hunting article specifically states that it applies to maritime salvage. Viv Hamilton 09:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to see the treasure hunting article expanded. Legally, salvage is salvage, and that's covered nicely, but there is more to the treasure and historical aspect. Bring in some notable hunters and finds, for example.Lisamh 20:17, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Disagree to merge MARINE SALVAGE with TREASURE HUNTING. Marine salvage is an industry/activity sector that provides commercial services for the world's maritime and insurance communities. Marine salvage companies are engaged in marine casualty response, pollution defense, wreck removal, cargo recovery, towage and related activities, which doesn't reflect the definition of treasure hunting per se.

Merge removed[edit]

I have removed the merge proposal tags. Consensus is against doing it. Georgewilliamherbert 20:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Bad title sentence[edit]

"Marine salvage is the process of rescuing a ship, its cargo, or other property from peril." I wouldn't describe salvage this way. This describes what coast guard rescue does, not salvage. I'm changing it.

97.113.105.224 (talk) 03:35, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Salvage and rescue and quite different matters. A ship being recovered may be in peril - more often than not it isn't.JohnC (talk) 05:40, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Investigation[edit]

Should investigation be listed as a reason for salvage work? As an example, the efforts to recover Air France 447 right now - wouldn't this be a salvage operation for the purpose of determining why it crashed?

This was also part of the reason for the rediscovery of the Titanic. Most notably, they learned that the ship did split in two as it sunk.

97.113.105.224 (talk) 03:43, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Salvage was not the reason for the Titanic discovery. It was a by-product of/cover for a search for sunken American nuclear submarines.JohnC (talk) 05:46, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

to add to notable salvages[edit]

i'd suggest perhaps:

  • space shuttle challenger remains.
  • that apollo space capsule that sunk. or was it mercury?
  • recovery of the sully sullenberger jet.

Cramyourspam (talk) 05:20, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Marine salvage in popular culture[edit]

The famous Stan Rogers song "The Mary Ellen Carter" is about a fictional ship salvage. Worth a mention here? --Ernieba1 (talk) 14:02, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I have never heard of Stan Rogers or the song, so can't comment on its value to anyone looking up marine salvage. Why do you think it should be mentioned? • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 14:19, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Notable salvages[edit]

In tidying some "in progress" cases that have since been resolved, I added a resolution to the Black Swan Project from it's own page. I'm finding the Vrouw Maria situation to be somewhat unclear. Phrases from the VM WP page specifically relevant to this one say the following: "The ship was in good condition when it was discovered, but only six objects from the deck of the ship have been salvaged. The cargo holds have not been disturbed, so the condition of any art on board remains unknown. The Finnish National Board of Antiquities is responsible for the ship and all recovery efforts." and that "A dispute between the discoverers and the authorities was later resolved." but not how. If anyone is able to say how this relates to the phrasing as it stands, clarification would be good.

Current phrasing: "Vrouw Maria was discovered in 1999, and after a protracted legal battle, plans for salvage are still in the discussion and planning stage[citation needed]. It is known to contain priceless works of art."
EmyP (talk) 12:25, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

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Negative pressure?[edit]

In the history section:

"this meant that if a hose became severed, the high-pressure air around the diver's head rapidly evacuated the helmet causing tremendous negative pressure that caused extreme and sometimes life-threatening effects."

There's no such thing as negative pressure. That would be less than vacuum. I'd propose a better wording if I understood what the sentence tries to explain.

Hope someone does and takes care of this.