Talk:Mark Jason Dominus

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This article was nominated for deletion on December 23, 2005. The result of the discussion was keep. An archived record of this discussion can be found here.

Korean Name?[edit]

Could someone explain where this name is coming from? The connection from Dominus to the surname "Du" isn't obvious to me (unless the latter is a phonetic approximation of the former?) so it seems a little out of the blue to mention it. I see that the hanja for the name pops up on Chinese language websites about him, but a search for the hangul turns up only his personal site and copies of this article. Searching for the romanized form "Du Min-so" and variants turns up nothing. -- Calcwatch 05:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I mistyped my own name. How embarrassing! Thanks for pointing this out; I have corrected the spelling. -- Dominus 14:17, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Why do you have a Korean name? -- (talk) 16:55, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I don't. All I have a Korean translation of my Chinese name. —Mark Dominus (talk) 16:59, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
This seems to be a vanity page rather than an encyclopedia article. If Mark Dominus is known by a Korean name or a Chinese name, why is there no article on him in the Korean or Chinese Wikipedia? And what evidence is there that he is known by these names in China? JoshuSasori (talk) 04:43, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
My name is my own and it is what I say it is. I find it presumptuous of you to demand evidence, and insulting that you called my name "absurd". Please moderate your language in the future. —Mark Dominus (talk) 07:32, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Again someone has deleted my Chinese name, claiming in the edit summary that "no evidence has been presented that he is known by this name". I am not aware of any Wikipedia policy that requires that any such evidence be presented. I am puzzled that the people who are making these changes feel that this is the best possible use of their time. —Mark Dominus (talk) 13:55, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

The same user took this issue to the Conflict of Interest noticeboard, although I'm not sure why, and the little they said on the matter did not explain why. The topic expired from the noticeboard with very little attention, and none from the administrators or even from anyone familiar with Wikipedia policy. The discussion, such as it is, is archived here.

Since there was no input from the COI experts, and no explanation of how adding my Chinese name to this article could possibly present a conflict of interest, and no discussion here, I am concluding that consensus among editors knowledgeable in COI matters is there is in fact no conflict of interest. I plan to restore the Chinese name to the article shortly, with its Korean transliteration, . —Mark Dominus (talk) 01:41, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

After waiting for counterarguments, I have restored my Korean / Chinese name to the article. Editors who object to its presence there should present arguments against it that are substantive, and that go beyond mere personal opinions that the name is "absurd" or "ridiculous". If they claim conflict of interest, they should say what the conflict is and whose interest is being advanced. They should address the use of the name in bibliographic records such as the VIAF, and in Chinese-language press. —Mark Dominus (talk) 18:41, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Dominus, I know that you (and this bio) have been the target of some attacks here, but considering that you are the subject, I really do not think that it is a good idea for you to make these changes without an actual consensus. If it is important to you, please take it to a more widely-read forum so that others can weigh in, or start an RfC. And let someone else decide on the result and make the actual change. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 18:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. —Mark Dominus (talk) 21:50, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Seems like trivia to me. You're at best borderline notable, I don't really see why anyone (but yourself) would care for this. I couldn't find it in the VIAF records, but even then, we don't add Cyril transliteration to everyone's article who happens to have his book published in Russia, either. And if we would, those transliterations should appear behind the boldfaced name, not in a separate infobox. —Ruud 13:40, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Dominus is bisexual[edit]

According to Jackson, Leigh (1992-06-22). "A DAY FOR GAYS TO SHOW THEIR PRIDE". Philadelphia Daily News. p. 08. , Mark Jason Dominus is bisexual.

  • This newspaper story does NOT state that Dominus is bisexual. The text of the article does not even mention his name.

The article reads, in part:

A kissing booth at the third annual Philadelphia Gay Pride Day ruffled a few feathers, but that was the only controversy at an otherwise peaceful celebration yesterday that drew record numbers of participants and spectators.
BiUnity, a four-year-old social and political support group for bisexuals, opened a kissing booth at the Penn's Landing event to demonstrate a device called a "dental dam,"…

The accompanying photograph clearly depicts Dominus, and is captioned "Mark Dominus stretches dam while Jaye Fox kisses customer at kissing booth."

Should some mention of this be made in this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

  • The photograph is evidence he was present at the booth. It does not demonstrate he was involved in the operation of the booth, nor that he was a member of BiUnity or any other bisexual support group or organization. The caption of the article identifies him by name and the activity he was doing, but not that he was there operating it. I do not have access to the photo itself, only the article text; is he visibly behind a counter or anything?
  • In any case, this is not a reliable source for a statement about Dominus's sexuality. --Rpresser 23:26, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
I found this Usenet posting extremely pertinent -- and amusing. --Rpresser 00:09, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Here is a 1992 newspaper article from the Daily Pennsylvanian that describes Dominus as a "QUIP member", where QUIP stands for "Queers Invading Penn", "an organization of lesbian, gay and bisexual students, faculty members and University employees". (talk) 03:44, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

see — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:13, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

I am bisexual. See for example [1]. I suggest this fact be added to the article, and that the article be placed in the category Category:Bisexual writers. —Mark Dominus (talk) 18:15, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

The Zahir[edit]

A recent edit added a reference to a short story that I wrote about fifteen years ago. The edit is well-meaning, but it seems to me that the story is not particularly notable or even interesting. I have written a lot of random stuff over the years. —Dominus (talk) 14:36, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


Shouldn't it be mentioned that Dominus is suspected of being Klortho the Magnificent and thus partially responsible for Kibology? His connection to the group called "perlmongers" is highly suspicious and an indication that he is capable of much atrocity.

/Greyface —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:49, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

2008 OOPSLA[edit]

Perhaps it would be appropriate to mention that I was an Invited Speaker at the 2008 OOPSLA conference. That seems to me rather more significant than many of the other items in the article. —Mark Dominus (talk) 17:03, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

This appears to be a vanity page[edit]

This page appears to be a vanity page. It includes Korean and Chinese versions of the person's name. Is there evidence that this person is notable enough in Korea or China to be known by a Korean version or Chinese version of his name? Also, "founder of kibology" etc. reads like nothing more than a vanity page. JoshuSasori (talk) 04:35, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm guessing you weren't on the internet in the early/mid 1990s? -- Infrogmation (talk) 19:20, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
This is not a vanity page, as I did not create it and I do not normally maintain it. For example, you will observe that it does not mention my invited talk at 2008 OOPSLA, although I suggested last year that that should be added. I am more or less indifferent to what the page has on it; if it were a vanity page I would have added my more important accomplishments myself. Thank you for removing the reference to "The Zahir", which as you can see I suggested should be done years ago. As for my Chinese name, there is no Wikipedia standard that it needs to meet to be included here. In particular, nobody needs to prove that they are notable in China to claim a Chinese name. —Mark Dominus (talk) 07:39, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Dear JoshuSasori, once you read beyond the first sentence of this article, it will dawn on you that this is not a vanity “page”. Otherwise please cite the relevance criteria that are not met. In any case you are free to remove the Chinese and Korean versions of his name which may indeed not belong here. Removing notability template. --Thüringer ☼ (talk) 12:11, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


I suggest that this page be added to Category:Hunter_College_High_School_alumni, since it exists and I am one. —Mark Dominus (talk) 04:59, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Not sure what the deal is here[edit]

But looks like it goes back years. This needs to be addressed with reliable sourecs, period. --Malerooster (talk) 14:21, 18 October 2012 (UTC)


A recent edit removed the claim that I co-founded Kibology, which was in the original revision of the article added in 2005 by SYSS Mouse (talk · contribs); . The edit summary said "no evidence he co-founded kibology", but the claim was cited to the article "The Danger in Being Kibo", Detroit Metro Times, 21 January 1997 ([2]. Removal of material that cites independent sources, without prior discussion on the article's talk page, is a violation of WIkipedia's content guidelines.

When I investigated this link I found it was no longer valid. But Wikipedia's verifiability policy says "It has always been good practice to try to find and cite supporting sources yourself", and it is easy to find the cited article in the Internet Archive's wayback machine, as recommended by WP:DEADREF). The article contains a note that it was originally published in the Baltimore City Paper in June 1997.

I suggest that the matter be discussed here to determine community consensus. —Mark Dominus (talk) 17:35, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Perl Journal articles published by O'Reilly[edit]

It might be worth mentioning that, with one exception, the articles that I wrote for The Perl Journal were all reprinted in Orwant, Jon, ed. (2002). Best of the Perl Journal: Computer Science and Perl Programming. O'Reilly and Associates . ISBN 9780596003104.  to which I also wrote the introduction. The one exception, "Ray Tracing", was reprinted in Orwant, Jon, ed. (2003). Web, Graphics & Perl/Tk Programming. Best of the Perl Journal. O'Reilly and Associates . ISBN 9780596003111. . I hope this information is useful. —Mark Dominus (talk) 22:05, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Added. Having articles appearing in Wired seems to be somewhat of an overstatement, though. I assumed you were a regular contributor, but it appears you have only co-contributed to a small news item. —Ruud 13:33, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. I cannot take responsibility for poor wording about my meager contributions to Wired (there have been two), since I did not put it in the article or even suggest that it be put there. If you think the mention of Wired is undue, please remove it. I avoid making significant changes to this article that might violate the COI guidelines. —Mark Dominus (talk) 23:56, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Do you happen to know of a source for the Larry Wall award? —Ruud 13:42, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't know of any source that would satisfy Wikipedia's reliable sources guidelines, but if I find any, I will mention it here. —Mark Dominus (talk) 23:56, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

COI Edits of Vanity Page[edit]

This is clearly a vanity page created by meat puppets and edited by the subject of the article. The subject of the bio has no notability other than through self published sources and it should be deleted. (talk) 20:51, 6 October 2016 (UTC)