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Religious information[edit]

Since Marshall Rosenberg isn't involved in any religious organizations or work, in my opinion it's not pertinent to mention the religion of his parents. DBlomgren 01:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

This is 66. I know Dr. Marshall Rosenberg is not with any religious organization. My changes are a result of the relgious content in the NVC book and the NVC psychotherapy I was involved with. I do not have a users page, but you can e-mail me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.189.62.30 (talkcontribs) February 8, 2007.

Hello, Rich,

I removed your e-mail address to help you avoid spam. Check out What Wikipedia is not, which says "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of items of information. That something is 100% true does not mean it is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia."

So why do you think it's important or relevant to include his religion? (P.S. Please sign you comments by typing ~~~~. DBlomgren 03:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The reason why I felt it was relevant was I was involved in NVC psychotherapy with a Uncertified NVC trainer who was a psychiatric social worker and she did not tell me of the religious content in the NVC book and I was unprepared for the religious counseling, because of my past problems with religion and the violence I witnessed in it. This social worker also violated many of the NVC rules and 19 rules of her license. The result left me very hurt and depressed. I talk about this in great detail if you go to the Let See if Can Apply NVC to NVC Edit page and click on the frown face. >—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rich 5721 (talkcontribs) 10 February, 2007.

Thanks, Rich. This clarifies some things. It sounds like you want to help other people avoid the shock and hurt you felt. I have read the book Nonviolent Communication and I saw very little religious content, other than Rosenberg speaks of being discriminated against for his religion and has mediated religion-based conflicts. Could you tell me what content you're referring to? Or is it possible that the social worker distorted the religious content?

Also, I looked for the frown face on the NVC talk page and couldn't find it. :( DBlomgren 17:48, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Heya Rich.

You putting in your own thoughts about NVC or Marshell Rosenberg violates WP:OR. If you can find a published reliable source WP:RS which says what you do, then please put the material in and cite it.Sethie 17:55, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Dear Dblomgren

I don't know how you Cannot see the Religious content or the teachings of Jesus Christ in Dr.Rosenberg's Language of Life book. First thing the word Noviolent Communication comes from the HUNDI teaching of Gandiu. On page 15 Dr. Roseberg quotes the words of Jesus Christ Book of Matthew 7/1. On page 181 Dr. Rosenberg tells his version of Corinthians 1 Chapter 13 1/13 Gift of Love from the New Testament. On page 181 Dr. Rosenberg says we Children of God. In the Epilogue section of the NVC book there is a parable story of the second coming of Jesus Christ. The section about punitive force page 162 Dr. Rosenberg tells the reader not to follow Proverb 23 13/14 in the Old Testament which says Spare the Rod Spoil the Child. There is also alot of Hundism and Buddism in the book too. Even the cover the Sunflower is the Christian Symbol for World Peace. That is why the earth's contients are yellow instead of green. Check out the other sections of the bible I mention and you will see how it applies to NVC book. I am not putting my own thoughts about NVC or violating WP:OR. My published source is the Language of Life NVC book. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN READ THE SAME BOOK AS I AND NOT SEE THIS??


well, although the guy hasn't learned to sign his comments yet, it seems to me that he has more than a fair point...moreover if you consider that three of the 6 awards received are from some religious organization, I think the info should be included in the article.--Dia^ 16:58, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
His religious denomination is relevant to a biographical article. Maikel (talk) 08:36, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Notability[edit]

Strange as it may seem, someone placed a "Notability" tag on this article. The suggestion is that Marshall Rosenberg is not notable. This despite the fact that googling "Marshall B. Rosenberg" gets about 1.3 million hits, and the fact that his book Nonviolent Communication: The Language of Life ranks 715 on Amazon.com's bestseller list. There are so many google hits on his organization, one has to sort through hundreds to find "published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject" as required by the guideline on Notability. Nevertheless, there are many such sources. Here are three:

It would be nice if the folks touring around placing tags on everything would do some homework. Sunray 06:11, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

if in Yoda the Force is so strong, then why a proper sentence make can't he? ;)[edit]

Activities
The Center for Nonviolent Communication emerged out of work civil rights activists in the early 1960s.

"work civil rights activists" seems to be wrong, but I do not know for certain what was meant. — Xiutwel (talk) 10:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the catch, Xiutwel. The mistake comes from a May 5th, 2007 edit that reverted vandalism but left out a few necessary words. DBlomgren 18:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Photo[edit]

Fyi, I just wrote to the CNVC to request a photo for use in the article. My note (hidden in a comment:)


Hoping for a good result; I was unable to find one using google's free license image search.--Elvey (talk) 01:32, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Memnoon Concept[edit]

I came here to learn about the "Memnoon" Concept, but I found nothing but this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMJE7cR_I2Y

It is such an influential entry part of his work., it should be mentioned.

85.220.17.89 (talk) 10:07, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

+1, I also came to look for a translation of memnoon.

According to the youtube video linked above what he means by "a memnoon" is a particular way of asking, and instructs: Whenever asking anything from a person you are the closest with, give them a card that says please do what I have requested only if you can do so with the joy of a child feeding a hungry duck. Please do not do as I requested if you fear there is punishment if you don't, and not to buy my love, and not if you feel guilty or ashamed if you don't, or from a sense of duty or obligation. And the idea is to only give out of memnoon energy - i.e. the duck-feeding feeling - because anything else is in the end more harmful than good. (This is not quite a direct quote, I cannot type fast enough for that.)

Reference is the video above, which I think was also mentioned in the first half (around end of first third or so?) of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3YZBImfYq8 (Marshall Rosenberg: Intimate Relationships, a CD from a collection by the Center for Nonviolent Communication, which is more citeable as a source - but not sure what is an appropriate way to cite such so I'm hoping someone can pick it up or at least it can be found here).

Kataja~enwiki (talk) 18:15, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Death[edit]

Is the cause "prostate cancer" relevant? https://www.facebook.com/BayNVC/posts/10152734364991378 http://www.cnvc.org/marshall-rosenberg-passed-life-saturday-february-7th-2015 Manorainjan (talk) 00:59, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

American Board of Examiners in Professional Psychology[edit]

The article mentions "American Board of Examiners in Professional Psychology". Could this be the American Board of Professional Psychology? — Sebastian 17:04, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Ted who?[edit]

Quote: According to Albert Ellis, Ted Crawford, who wrote a book Making Intimate Connections with Ellis, "particularly liked the anger-resisting philosophy of Marshall Rosenberg and made presentations on it.

Who's Ted Crawford? He must be a real maven if it's noteworthy that he allegedly liked aspects of Marshall Rosenberg's philosophy.

In other words, I doubt the relevancy of this statement. Maikel (talk) 08:27, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Nationality[edit]

A USA citizen's passport gives the nationality as "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA", see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Interior_of_US_Passport.JPG. This is a bit strange, since it is a noun, but "American" can hardly be a nationality, seeing as "America" is not a country (old debate, I know, but "American" seems like the worst of all possibilities, many countries being American). I guess "US-American" might do (even though Mexico is a "US", as well, apparently). Don't know how wide-spread this is on WP. kamome, 2015-03-03 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.27.209.130 (talk) 10:24, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Good question! I'll direct this to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies#Nationality "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA"Sebastian 18:57, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
I've removed the reference tags. Maikel (talk) 09:04, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

B.[edit]

In his books he is usually -- if not always -- credited as "Marshall B. Rosenberg". I'm used to hear him called "Marshall B. Rosenberg" in presentations. So it's odd that this article doesn't even mention his middle initial.

Plus, does anyone have any idea what the B. stands for?

Thanks, Maikel (talk) 09:00, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

In the German Wiki-article on Rosenberg, the following information and reference is included: http://www.macrolibrarsi.it/autori/_marshall-b-rosenberg.php According to this, B. is for Bertram, apparently. --JakobvS (talk) 14:15, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Portrait[edit]

Gewaltfreie Kommunikation in Deutschland has a fine portrait of Marshall. Does someone have such an attractive portrait that could be put on Commons ? — Rgdboer (talk) 02:41, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

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