Talk:Martina Hingis

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I'd say someone should nudge this toward a GA.

The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 20:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I could not find any mention in the article that "the International Tennis Federation gave Martina Hingis a two-year ban ... for testing positive for cocaine at Wimbledon" :http://www.cbc.ca/sports/martina-hingis-banned-2-years-from-tennis-1.698074 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.14.135.95 (talk) 12:21, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Awards[edit]

Hingis did not win the "Swiss Sportswoman of the year" award in 1993 but in 1997. Please correct it! 13:08, 2 November 2007

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Drug Test Hastens Retirement for Hingis[edit]

I feel it's fair to add: She retired in November 2007 due to tested positive for cocaine.[1]. The reference is self explanatory. When I read up on her, I was expecting to see the drug charge or allegation, which I believe should be in the lead off. I saw the press conference when she announced it. It's fact at the time, the cause of her premature retirement, so should be in the lead. Skigg 21:55, 14 September 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skigg (talkcontribs)

I've added the information written in a more neutral tone. If anyone is to revert my edit, please reply explaining the decision here. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 22:23, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
I am not overly convinced that this information needs to be included in the lead. It's in the body of the article, but since it was one positive drug test, she claims she was clean, and by retiring meant there was never a conclusive determination of whether it was a false positive or not. The retirement is worth noting, the drug allegations are not. Primefac (talk) 22:35, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
I personally think it's unfair to say the drug test was why she retired, she had been having really subpar results for like 7 months due to injuries and that played a big role on why she chose to retire (she said she was too old in her retirement conference), or otherwise she would've come back right after her ban. Narciso003 (talk) 11:54, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
@Narciso003: She still retired following a drugs test, at no point it was said she retired as a direct result (within the article). I don't believe there's any reason it can't and shouldn't be stated in the lead as it is referenced properly. - 14:01, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
@Kethrus: Well but if she didn't retire as a direct result of it then it most definitely doesn't belong in the lead (as it was one of the factors), which goes against the lead's purpose, that being summarizing. Narciso003 (talk) 13:51, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────@Narciso003: My edit was then reverted by Primefac, which I disagreed with and discussed on the talk page, my edit is this (see the diff here). I stated she retired following a positive drugs test, but did not imply that it was a direct result. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 14:04, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

@Kethrus: But it's a subject that requires further explanation (the minimal correct explanation would be that following a positive drugs test and bad results caused by persistent injuries she decided to retire) and even if you didn't intend to imply that it was a direct result, written like that on the lead section most definitely makes it look like it was a direct result. Narciso003 (talk) 14:20, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
YesY I don't believe this needs to be discussed further on here, I agree with this. --I am Kethrus Talk to me! 14:26, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Sorry to butt in kind of late, but seems to me a brief and vague mention would be appropriate in the second or more likely third paragraph: "Her career was interrupted by two retirements, the first due to ankle injuries and the second after failing a drug test." This degree of prominence is, to my mind, appropriate to the amount of attention it attracted at the time. It also leaves the controversy unjudged and defers the details of both retirements to the respective detail sections. And if I'm too late, I shall be ignored and not raise a fuss over it. Jim.henderson (talk) 02:39, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Hope this isn't too late since I'm new and didn't know to check. English isn't my native tongue but saying drug test isn't direct link doesn't seem to be right. Google 'Martina hingis drug' and read on the major media's coverage, BBC, ESPN, LAT ... NYT: "Drug Test Hastens Retirement for Hingis ... A comeback that started auspiciously in 2006 for Martina Hingis shuddered to a halt yesterday, when she announced her second retirement from tennis and revealed that her decision was linked to testing positive for cocaine at this year’s Wimbledon." to me, it is. The fact I even discovered this article was due to her last weekend win at US Open. As we were watching her match, I wondered how many slams (meaning singles ...) had she won and what went on in her life since the drug scandal. I was dumbfounded to read the "20" grand slam titles and no drug mentioned - I shared the wiki article and yes we just laughed ... which prompted me to edit - I rely on wiki as an user bec it's reliable, in depth and concise. Not many tennis players, male or female use drugs. This isn't smear on someone but trying to get facts straight. Skigg 11:02, 18 September 2015 (UTC) Skigg 13:09, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Clarey, Christopher Drug Test Hastens Retirement for Hingis, November 2, 2007, New York Times. retrieved 2015.09.13
@Skigg: My point is that she most likely wouldn't have permanently given up on singles if she were still ranked No. 6 in the world, winning Masters, routining Top 5 players and reaching the 2nd week of Slams when the drug ban came, instead of barely being Top 20 and losing to the likes of Sania Mirza, Shuai Peng or Laura Granville because of injuries, so either put both the injuries and drug ban as reasons or don't put any. The drug ban was until September 2009 and most players are still active at 28, she permanently retired from singles. Narciso003 (talk) 13:40, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
In an effort to support a new and enthusiastic editor Skigg (talk), I would like to propose moving the 2007 drug allegations to a sub-section of the Personal life area. It is obviously notable from the NYTimes link Skigg posted -- and the BBC link in the paragraph on her career in 2007. That said, I am dismayed at the deadlink situation of the existing paragraph. So I would like to fix those links, add the NYTimes link (it is clearly notable and a good citation), and possibly look for additional citations that present this information in a super neutral way. If there are objections, please move the section back up to 2007 (though again I would argue it's a bit buried up there). But kindly leave the citations that I will have restored and added -- in an effort of clean up this small portion of Hingis' page. Thanks so much to all of the editors who responded with such great collegiality and helpfulness. I am very proud to be a Wikipedian here. All the best. BrillLyle (talk) 04:25, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks everyone! I jumped in to change in the first place was I never thought or considered it's controversy but a straightforward fact, being covered by many major media. The subsequent discussions and reversion looked more controversy to me. I support @Brill Lyle: in the lead (both retirements are fine) or a separate section. Buried it deep under '2007' is sneaky, pls don't hurt wiki's credibility. The time we spent on arguing over the drug problem, could have used it to fix the invalid links. I bet decades later, the NYT and BBC, etc links on her drug problem would still be valid. All have a great weekend and thank you for your help. I enjoyed this learning experience. Skigg 17:40, 18 September 2015 (UTC) sorry forgot to sign Skigg 17:41, 18 September 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skigg (talkcontribs)

@Skigg: Next time, try signing using the four tildes ~~~~ -- you should not need to be typing your signature on Wikipedia manually. The tildes do it for you.
Also, it's good form to indent a level under the response others have made. The indent is done by adding a colon mark : and then typing.
As to your comments, I have liked hearing what other editors have to say. Wikipedia -- at its best -- is both collaborative and thoughtful. BrillLyle (talk) 19:50, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

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