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Pronunciation of "Groening"[edit]

Another pronunciation problem: (name rhymes with "complaining", SAMPA ['grEniN]) -- these don't match! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tarquin (talkcontribs) 20:11, 29 October 2002

name rhymes with "raining" would work better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.103.59.23 (talkcontribs) 21:35, 16 August 2003

I've modified the pronunciation guide to actually rhyme with raining (it previously would have been something like "grenneeng") and also converted to IPA which is after all the recommended standard for Wiikipedia. rossb 16:20, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Where's the IPA? Did someone delete it? Theshibboleth 02:33, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I think I saw Groening appear in one Simpsons episode and he actually says his own name, and it did not rhyme with 'raining'. Typically I can't remember the episode details to back that up, so feel free to remove this comment if you think I'm talking out of my ass. I'll try and keep an eye out for it (the episode, not my ass).(user: can't remember my login details either) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.109.139.37 (talkcontribs) 18:44, 3 May 2007

Found this: The Technology Chronicles: "Simpsons" creator Matt Groening at TED (2007) > (Listen/Download Audio link) Groening tells interviewer how to pronounce his name, near start of interview, less than a half minute into it. Hope this helps but wasn't sure if it was okay to add as a ref link. Will leave that to someone else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.53.58.159 (talk) 05:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Once and for all (because I hear this rumor all the time), was Matt Groening ever a nuclear Electronics Technician in the US Navy? -Ryan Callahan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.58.207.101 (talkcontribs) 22:25, 16 January 2005

I very highly doubt it. -Kaizersoze 22:41, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)
It could be his brother Mark Groening, as he's a Vietnam veteran. -Kaizersoze 23:34, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)

I think GRAY-ning isn´t correct because the name has a German and a Dutch origin. Matt Groening himself said this in an interview with www.spielfilm.de:

Spielfilm.de: Mr. Groening, stimmt es eigentlich, dass Sie deutsche Wurzeln haben? Translation: Mr. Groening, is it right that you have German ancestors?

Matt Groening: Mein Name ist deutscher und holländischer Herkunft. My name has a German and a dutch origin.

So the pronunciation must be "Gröning" or something like this. I only want to say this because it sounds so badly for German ears ;-). That needn´t be in the articel.

Sry for my bad English, I´m from the German Wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.15.214.75 (talk) 20:10, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

link to spielfilm.de --91.15.214.75 (talk) 20:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

If you listen to any of the DVD commentaries, you will hear him pronounce it GRAY-ning himself. -- Scorpion0422 20:13, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
It's fairly common for names originating from other parts of the world to be mispronounced—and misspelled—with respect to the origin in the U.S. I know of dozens of family names which were messed up single-handedly by immigration officials. For example, Schneider—when not directly translated to Tailor or Taylor—is often changed to Snyder or Snider. Another I know is pronounced different ways by different branches of the same family in the Northwestern U.S. —EncMstr (talk) 20:38, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

There's a bigger issue here. We're talking about how he says it way too much. It's not the way he says it, it's how it was given to him. This looks like another case of the I don't like my name fiascoes. You know like the vice principal who says his name lao-wer when it's spelled l-o-w-e-r, just to save face with the kids. No one chooses their own name, or their children's last name, period. And if my kid tries to pull that kind of deceit, well let's just say he won't be doing that again anytime soon. If it's spelled like groening, then it sounds like groening, 't's that simple. Heterochromiac (talk) 00:24, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Right, but you see, we have to work with policies. One of these policies is No original research. Another is reliable sources. Another is that everything moved be verified. If Groening says it is pronounced Graying, then that's how it is pronounced. End of discussion. Gran2 08:56, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Family names[edit]

Could we get a cite on the anecdote that Groening didn't name Abraham Simpson after his own grandfather? It seems unlikely that after naming six other characters after family members he would suddenly balk at naming one more. It also seems a little suspect that other people supposedly chose an uncommon name like Abraham in a random coincidence. MK2 05:22, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

He himself mentioned it on one of the episode commentaries on The Simpsons DVDs. I believe the name was chosen as an homage to Abraham Lincoln. --Kaizersoze 17:51, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)
In the Early Life section it says his grandfather's name was Abram, not Abraham. The cited link says his grandfather's full name was Abram Abraham "A.A." Groening, and that his great-grandfather's name was Abraham. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.106 (talk) 19:22, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

This page should really mention the fact that he writes for The New Republic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.38.251.67 (talkcontribs) 02:34, 2 April 2005

Re Abraham Simpson: It's on the commentary track for the episode "The Front" on the DVD box set of series 4 (I think it was 4 anyway) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.254.0.38 (talkcontribs) 22:20, 8 May 2005

My dad's Physics professor at Portland State University was Homer Groening, so Homer's job at a nuclear plant presumably has some connection to the real Homer's training and profression. - omega at NOvcoloSPAM dot com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.99.212.251 (talkcontribs) 07:38, 28 February 2006

Groening's son is named Homer too. He did this to make up for naming the big buffoon after his father. (Interview in Season 2 DVD) --Fizan 03:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

"Groening also has an older brother and sister, Mark and Patty, but their names were not used."

Patty was used as the name of one of Marge's sisters (Patty & Selma). I'll change it.

SteveRamone 05:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

According to the source we use, Groening says"Now, as I've said in countless interviews, Lisa, Maggie, Marge and Homer are all named after members of my family. But I also have another sister Patty and a brother Mark, who I haven't humiliated by naming characters after them." So I assume that means that Patty was named by someone else, and is just a coincidence. -- Scorpion0422 05:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok, my mistake. Seems odd though.

SteveRamone 05:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

The Name 'Mark was used, kinda. Bart was a mixture of Mark, and Brat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.74.197.246 (talk) 21:14, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Life Is Hell[edit]

Groening also had a series of cartoon books based on a stip he did called either Life in Hell or Life Is Hell. The books had titles like "School Is Hell". Anyone know more about the strip? He drew a one-eared bunny and had two gay characters, Akbar and Jeff, if I recall. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.138.168.163 (talkcontribs) 19:59, 28 July 2005

Yup, Life in Hell. Bunch of books, Love is Hell, Work is Hell, School is Hell, Childhood is Hell, Big Book of Hell, Huge Book of Hell, a few others, all really funny stuff. It was about the bunny protagonist Binky, his one-eared son Bongo, and his girlfriend Sheba, as well as the relationship and entrepreneurial adventures of Akbar and Jeff.--STLEric 08:01, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Akbar????[edit]

Wikipedia:List_of_encyclopedia_topics/Biographies_G2 (section 14, number 41) lists him as having the middle name akbar, and so does this webpage, is this right? Martin - The non-blue non-moose 10:07, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Seems unlikely. Probably, someone down the line got it mixed up with Akbar and Jeff. RMoloney (talk) 16:03, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Groening is in fact still dating writer Lauren Francis (she has collaborated on a book with Groening and appeared as an advice columnist on a syndicated television show; I'm not certain she's chosen to pursue a singing career), who has said with certainty that Groening's completely straight. Perhaps the misunderstanding about Groening's orientation has arisen simply because he was tolerant and empathetic enough to have written a strip for the Village Voice ("Life in Hell") that often featured two identical gay characters named Akbar and Jeff. It wouldn't surprise me if the artist's middle name really were Akbar, or if he did identify with the two gay characters, since they seem to symbolize self-love. That emotion seems particularly hard-won for Groening, who, purportedly, was not always treated well by his father. Besides, Groening isn't the first person to have written movingly about people of other genders, races, religions and sexual orientations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.175.63.135 (talkcontribs) 13:00, 14 February 2006

Pronunciation[edit]

Who says his name is pronounced like raining? On today's episode of The Simpsons, Homer pronounced it like owning, but then again it is Homer. Theshibboleth 06:32, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

He's been quoted a good billion times as saying that his name "rhymes with complaining." --STLEric 07:42, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, and that's funnier than "raining"... AnonMoos 18:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

and there was that episode when Milhouse referred to him as it would sound like..groan-ing ^_- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.126.184.42 (talkcontribs) 20:17, 10 July 2006

Also Troy McClure Pronounced it like "raining" when he hosted The Simpsons 138th Episode Spectacular. --MJHankel 22:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Several references to the "gray-ning" pronunciation in a Google Books search list of results for search of keywords "Groening" +"pronounce" here: http://books.google.com/books?q=Groening+%2Bpronounced&btnG=Search+Books (In case that helps any.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.53.58.159 (talk) 21:29, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

What is up with all this page's vandalism?[edit]

Matt's profile here sure gets vandalized a lot. Why is that do you think?--Kiyosuki 09:13, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

because u touch yourself at night~dragong4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.99.161 (talkcontribs) 03:45, 4 March 2006

Dude...that is so old. Your insulting yourself by using that. lol --Kiyosuki 12:59, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Is there some way to get this page locked from edits by new members or non-members? Dragon-Girl 04:04, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

This page actually isn't that bad compared to some (like Futurama) but yes, to do that you need to bring it up at Requests for page protection, though this page probably doesn't need it, see WP:SEMI. Stardust8212 04:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Groening and Bodybuilding?[edit]

Jacky Wong is a bodybuilder from Hongkong, who operates two sports studios in Heidelberg, Germany. On the german Wikipedia-Page of Jacky Wong, it is mentioned that he and Matt Greoning are close friends, that he was a long time personal trainer of Greoning and that Greoning desgined the character of "Amy Wong" for him. I haven't fround any evidence for these claims on other webpages, especially not on the english Wikipedia. Are any of these rumors true? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.172.219.57 (talkcontribs) 18:46, 2 June 2006

Net Worth[edit]

Anyone know how much his net worth is and how much money the simpsons, liscensing, syndication rights, etc have made him?? I heard 150 million but believe it to be far more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.161.202 (talkcontribs) 22:05, 14 June 2006

When describing wealth, "millionaire" used to describe the circa-top-2% of wealthy people. Then "multimillionaire." Now it goes by large amounts. The $150 Million benchmark for entertainers was most likely before the $25 Million "gold standard" set by Mike Myers. In 2008 it is about $250 million and will probably be a billion by 2025. "Filthy stinking rich" just doesn't describe it any longer, though as regards Mr. Groening's net worth, I'd suggest that to be pretty accurate..74.13.33.29 (talk) 04:13, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Education[edit]

Does anyone know what college Groening attended? I heard at one point he was at a Christian college for like a semester... seems far-fetched, but I thought I'd ask anyway... Johnny Panic 8:35, 3 July 2006

The Evergreen State College --Rubber cat 02:22, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

This article (http://blogs.usatoday.com/sportsscope/2008/03/who-are-these-1.html?csp=34) mentions that Matt Groening attended Oral Roberts Univeristy, a Christian college in Tulsa, OK, for a short period. 04:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian Glenn (talkcontribs)

The story?[edit]

Would it be appropiate to add his appearance in the movie "The Story"? http://www.archive.org/details/the_story --84.146.234.134 20:00, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Sigma Chi[edit]

I heard somewhere that he is a member of the Sigma Chi fraternity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.49.6.197 (talkcontribs) 07:00, 20 September 2006

oh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rubber cat (talkcontribs) 07:09, 20 September 2006
He is _not_ a Sigma Chi -- check it out on the Talk:Sigma Chi#Matt Groening page. Firedancer414 21:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Reuben Award - 2002 or 2003?[edit]

The year Groening received the Reuben Award is not consistent between this article, the National Cartoonists Society article and the official Reuben Awards site.

Both the official Reuben Award site and the National Cartoonists Society article state that Groening received the award in 2002, where the Matt Groening article states 2003.

Is there a reason why this article states 2003, or is it, as I suspect, a mistake?

AaronRC 11:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I guess it was a mix-up, this page says "Simpsons" creator Matt Groening receives the Reuben Award, San Francisco, 2003, so he received the award in 2003 for 2002. --Rubber cat 21:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

website??[edit]

You know, I was curious about the fact that it seemed to always be under construction so I decided to research it. Unless the very first release in 2000 was diferent, it has been "under construction" ever sense it started in 2000. I checked it on Archive.org, here is the link to it if you want to see for yourself [1]. I just figured that it is somewhat notable due to the fact that it has not just been under construction for a long time, but rather sense its inception. (unless those first two ones <which are missing> were actually diferent). --MJHankel 22:39, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, in this interview from a while back [2], Groening points out that he has reserved this site so that he can archive his comic strips, though he also stated that he wanted to do it when he felt ready to get really into it. --MJHankel 22:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
  5. It is stable.
  6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
    a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
  7. Overall:
    a Pass/Fail:
  • 1 (a) and (b) Prose and Structure:
  1. He made his first professional cartoon sale to the avant-garde Wet magazine in 1978 (the strip, entitled “Forbidden Words”, appeared in the September/October issue), and by 1980 the strip had become so popular in the underground that it was picked up by the Los Angeles Reader, where he also delivered papers as well as doing some editing and paste-up. very long sentence. Split it into two.
  2. He described trying to get the show on the air as "by far the worst experience of my grown-up life." --- This quote needs to be written as "by far the worst experience of [his] grown-up life" in order to make sense of the sentence.
  3. Seeing as how you have only one award listed, do you really think it deserves its own section?
  • 2 (a) References: Outright fail here. This is a biography of a living person, and as such, is held to a much higher standard in terms of citations. For instance,
  1. birthdate needs citation
  2. On the way there, his car broke down in the fast lane of the Hollywood Freeway.
  3. He found work for a time as a chauffeur and "biographer" for an unsuccessful 88-year-old B-Western movie director.
  4. Fearing the loss of ownership rights, Groening decided to create something new. Reportedly, he designed the look of the Simpson family in only fifteen minutes.
  5. Comedy Central commissioned 13 new episodes to be aired in 2008.
  6. The couple divorced in 1999 after thirteen years of marriage

are just a few of the things that need to be taken care of. Be very careful with articles about living people. It can get ugly.

  • 2 (b) Inline citations:
  1. Citations come after punctuation. I saw a couple here and there that are misplaced. On preview: I noticed that an editor took care of this. I change to a pass on this criterion.
  1. It is questionable whether Marge’s sister Patty’s name comes from Groening’s sister or if it is a coincidence. --- Things like this (especially unreferenced) are examples of original research. Take them out. Avoid weasel words at all costs.

Because my only real reason to fail the article is because of its egregious lack of references, I'm going to fail the article and list it at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unreferenced_GA/Nominations. After including some references, you can renominate it. Just to drive the point home, I want you to remember to be careful when writing an article about a living person. Cite everything. This article is basically GA quality otherwise, just address the points I made above. Good luck! –King Bee (TC) 18:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Excellent. I have reread the awards section, and it makes a lot more sense to me now. I like what you've done, good work on citing everything so quickly. I will now pass the article.–King Bee (TC) 20:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Just to add, Groening confirms the chauffeur/biographer thing (though he says the guy was 93) in an A.V. Club interview; it's on page 2; here's the link: http://www.avclub.com/content/node/47771/2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.53.58.159 (talk) 22:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Newspaper with Life In Hell?[edit]

It says in the Carrer section that the comic strip Life In Hell is still in over 250 weekly newspapers. What is the source for this? Does anyone know any specific newspapers with the strip? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Keshidragon (talkcontribs) 21:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

Share of Simpson's Net Worth[edit]

Does anyone have any information on his net worth or his share of The Simpsons profits? -- 68.197.231.27 — Preceding unsigned comment added by WillMak050389 (talkcontribs) 16:50, 2 July 2007

Matt Groening not born in springfield Oregon[edit]

Matt Groening was born in Portland Oregon. I can cite many other sources to attest to this. Somebody should change the article.

http://www.answers.com/topic/matt-groening?cat=entertainment http://www.nndb.com/people/361/000025286/ http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/information/mattgroening.shtml http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004981/bio http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/contributor/1800161956/bio http://www.hollywood.com/celebrity/Matt_Groening/189573

And for a little more authorative source:

"Groening (rhymes with "raining" or "complaining") was born in Portland (or as he puts it, "near Beaverton")."

From an interview: Baker, Jeff. GROENING, RHYMES WITH REIGNING. The Oregonian, March 14, 2004. Aboutmovies 23:27, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, it used to be Portland in the article, but some anon changed it about a month back and I hadn't noticed it until it was pointed out, so thanks. -- Scorpion0422 00:08, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
NPR said he was born in Springfield this morning. I hope they weren't using this article as a source... Katr67 16:47, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Groening's style[edit]

Given that he is a cartoonist by trade, there should be some mention of his style. i.e. the "Simpsonized" form - you can look at a drawing of any celebrity without context, and know that they were a character in The Simpsons. --Jay(Talk) 18:43, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Such as the 'overbite' that most (all?) of all his characters have.

SteveRamone 05:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation again[edit]

If his family is Dutch, as the Mennonite background seems to suggest, then Groening should probably be pronounced [gruniŋ] ("grooning"), at least in modern Standard Dutch (where the digraph oe stands for IPA [u]). But it may well be that his family spoke a dialect different from Standard Dutch, so...KelilanK (talk) 01:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, a lot of Mennonites are German too. And Groening himself pronounces it Greyning. -- Scorpion0422 01:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I think this [3] settles the issue: "AMSTERDAM -- (..) On Tuesday, Groening unveiled 10 minutes of footage from "The Simpsons Movie" to European exhibitors at the gathering, which runs through Thursday. Groening added he had Dutch ancestry and had discovered only that afternoon that "I have mispronounced my own last name my whole life.". Should it be added to the article?KelilanK (talk) 02:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

The "Dutch" in Mennonite Dutch is from "Deutsch" (German). This common mistake irritates us Dutch people to no end, regardless of any Dutch ancestry Mr. Groening has, to his immense genealogical credit. Plus, in Dutch the "roe" is pronounced with a sound unpronounceable by any person not raised as a natural Dutch speaker. The infamous "throat clearing" sound.74.13.33.29 (talk) 04:23, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, the old German "oe" has now been replaced by "ö" in many instances, so in a German-speaking country his name might be spelled "Gröning". IPA [ø] (Close-mid front rounded vowel, where the closest example in English would be in "bird", as pronounced in New Zealand), like the previous chancellor of Germany Gerhard Schröder, whose family name was previously spelled Schroeder. In French the same vowel sound is spelled "eu", or simply the letter "e" ; examples : heureux (happy), cheval (horse), bleu (blue). --Jerome Potts (talk) 11:56, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Unitarian[edit]

We have him listed at List of Unitarians, Universalists, and Unitarian Universalists, so we'd better decide whether he is or he isn't. Carolynparrishfan (talk) 01:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Groening himself has said he's currently agnostic. However, I think he grew up as a Unitarian. -- Scorpion0422 01:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
But being an agnostic is not the same as not being a UU. It is quite possible to be both. Carolynparrishfan (talk) 23:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Agnostic is not the sane as Unitarian Universalist, as Unitarian Universalism is definitely theistic.COGITO ERGO SUM (talk) 23:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

GA Sweeps (Pass)[edit]

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I commented out one uncited fact, but it should be reinserted if a citation can be found. The lead would also benefit from adding some more information about the "Personal life" and "Other pursuits" section. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Cheers, CP 01:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Political stance[edit]

I am a little surprise that there is no mention of Matt's political stances. On many of the DVD commentaries, Matt has said he left leaning and liberal (even saying in the commentary for The Cartridge Family he described himself as "left wing anti-gun" and wanted the episode to have a message that guns are bad). In the commentary for The Simpsons 138th Episode Spectacular, they also said most (but not all) of the writers were liberal. TJ Spyke 12:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Middle name[edit]

According to Gale's Contemporary Authors, Akbar really is Groening's middle name. What is the source for Abram? The first ref doesn't work for me, so it's not clear what information that included. Zagalejo^^^ 22:26, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Matt influence by Rocky and Bullwinkle[edit]

Spotted a piece on a newspaper site where Groening he was influenced by The Rocky & Bullwinkle Show. http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/WeekendEdition/2008/09/26/pf-6891556.html Include in Early life section of Matt Groening article? --EarthFurst (talk) 18:33, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, he was very heavily influenced by R&B — the middle initials for Homer and Bart are both J, just like Rocket J. Squirrel and Bullwinkle J. Moose, all of them tributes to Jay Ward. I remember reading an interview with Groening where he discusses this, in this book if I'm not mistaken. ISBN 0553105035. Scartol • Tok 15:55, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Matt Groening religion[edit]

Does his religion really belong in the infobox? sixtynine • spill it • 00:24, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

If Mr.Groening has considered it important enough to share this information, then why not list it in the infobox?COGITO ERGO SUM (talk) 23:09, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Because it's extremely inconsistent. The infobox summaries generally contain the same basic info for everyone, with a few misc things that may be relevant to their profession/reason for being famous. Groening's career has no relation to his religion and other cartoonists and TV show producers do not have similar information in their boxes. This immediately jumped out at me as being very weird. --173.53.217.212 (talk) 01:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Agree, it looks wrong (gossipy, tabloid, fan club, etc.). I suppose an Infobox Philosopher or an Infobox Theologian could include such a parm, but other than that kind, i think no. I mean, while we're at it, why not height, weight, favorite brand of <you name it>, breast cup size of women who are neither models or porn stars, just because they might've have revealed it once somewhere ? --Jerome Potts (talk) 12:11, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Mennonite writer[edit]

This article has been added to the category Mennonite Writers. This seems wrong on 2 counts: 1) is a cartoonist a writer? and 2) the subject is seemingly an agnostic, and there is no evidence that even his father (his only connection with the Mennonite faith) continued practicing it in adult life. Can we get rid of this? DJ Clayworth (talk) 19:23, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Going, going...gone. DJ Clayworth (talk) 17:25, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I also removed the category underground cartoonist because I saw no indication that he ever was one. If we are talking about the time he sold his cartoons in the corner of a store, that doesn't make him an underground cartoonist it amkes him a struggling cartoonist or an unpublished cartoonist. DJ Clayworth (talk) 18:54, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Matt's Mother WAS Jewish[edit]

I'm pretty sure Matt's Mother WAS Jewish!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.149.118.36 (talk) 11:09, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

German American father - born and raised in Canada[edit]

I don't think referring to his father Homer as "German American" is an appropriate description when he was born and raised in Canada. Furthermore, being raised Mennonite is not the same as being of German heritage. I think this section should be revised to more appropriately reflect this. 128.100.66.244 (talk) 19:22, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Occupation[edit]

I've attempted to trim the list of occupations listed in the opening sentence and the infobox to only those things that the subject has done routinely and is known for, removing items he has done only incidentally in connection with those occupations, or as a hobby. For example, he has never been involved in the production work of animating the programs he is involved in, his voice acting bits are less than many Simpson's "celebrity guest stars", he's only a "comedian" in the broad sense that he writes humor, and the band he sometimes plays with are a hobby/celebrity-fundraising project rather than a professional pursuit. Groening is not known for these things, and cluttering up the opening with them not only gets in the way of what he is actually known for, it's misleading because of the undue weight it gives to trivial items on his IMDB page. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 20:08, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

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Image Permission Request: Nicotra, Becoming Rhetorical: From Analysis to Production[edit]

Hello Matt,

Good day!

I am contacting you on behalf of Cengage Learning (www.cengage.com), which is a leading educational publisher for the higher education and K–12, professional and library markets worldwide. I am the permissions project manager assisting them in clearing rights for content to be used in a new product.

Cengage is currently producing a textbook “Becoming Rhetorical: From Analysis to Production” 1e, written by Nicotra. The author would like to use the image ""The simple way to avoid…" from Life In Hell by Matt Groening"in this new edition, if possible.

Please contact me via email lessicatresa.gomes@luminad.com. looking forward to your response.

Regards, Lessica — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.160.155.67 (talk) 10:07, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

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