Talk:Matti Caspi

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Conviction

@OwenX: Can you please explain why you feel this is important to include in the biography. Please review WP:BLP beforehand - to me this is irrelevant to the subject's career, which is the reason he has a Wikipedia article to begin with. Just because something happened in the subject's life doesn't mean we must repeat it, and quite frankly bigamy (!) doesn't quite rank up there in my mind as something particularly important in relation to the rest of his life. Also, the inclusion of the involved person's names violates WP:NPF. And finally, if you will, please explain what you mean by my "personal proclivities". §FreeRangeFrog^croak 22:12, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

I edited the section to remove the unsourced paragraph and remove the weight of the bigamy issue, as well as removing the names of involved people. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 22:18, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

@FreeRangeFrog: Alas, it is not up to you, me, or any other editor to determine which aspect of a notable person is the key one, be it his career or his criminal record. The page exists on the project because the person was determined to meet our notability standards. This notability was established for various reasons which include his career and his personal life. Are you also going to remove the comments about Marilyn Monroe from JFK's page because she had nothing to do with that president's career?

The fact that Caspi became famous due to his musical career is important in determining WP categorization and the most suitable bio template to use. It cannot, however, be used to remove notable, well-sourced information. WP:BLP is pretty clear on this:

• In the case of public figures, there will be a multitude of reliable published sources, and BLPs should simply document what these sources say. If an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article – even if it is negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it. If you cannot find multiple reliable third-party sources documenting the allegation or incident, leave it out.

Please note that there is no mention of relevance specific to the subject's career or to any other specific area of interest. I don't think bigamy is a big deal, and would be just as happy to see it be decriminalized. However, my own views on the subject are irrelevant, as are yours. What matters here is the amount of coverage the case received on mainstream media. Keeping such a notable event from this artist's life out of the article smacks of a highly biased POV, which is where my use of "proclivities" came from. If your editorial decision was not based on personal preferences, you have my apology.

And considering there are currently several COI editors -- self-proclaimed Caspi family members -- edit-warring over that section, it behoves us to stick to a neutral, inclusive, well-sourced version of the biography. I'll appreciate your help in this matter. Owen× ☎ 02:28, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I think we're on the same page here ultimately - I understand your concern about SPAs but we also have to stop for a moment and think why people (who are not familiar with Wikipedia) do what they do. Someone previously mentioned in the article wrote to OTRS in a huff, as people often do, expressing concerns about the information related to this issue. My concern was around WP:NPF here, where people who are involved somehow but not necessarily notable are mentioned in a potentially negative light. In any case, I've refactored the paragraph to leave the information but remove those details. I hope that's acceptable. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 20:56, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Looks OK. Thanks! Owen× ☎ 23:53, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

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