Talk:McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle

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Edit request for unit cost[edit]

Can someone change the unit costs to what today's prices are for making the units please. EthanKid17 18:00, 10 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by EthanKid17 (talkcontribs)

Don't think so. Factoring inflation can be inaccurate and might be considered original research. -Fnlayson (talk) 18:07, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request F-15/E[edit]

Isn't there a F-15/E somewhere because i pretty sure there is one and if there is one it should be added in with it's predecessor's. EthanKid17 18:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by EthanKid17 (talkcontribs)

You should look through this article for the F-15E links.. -Fnlayson (talk) 18:20, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Thank-you for clarifying for me --EthanKid17 18:26, 10 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by EthanKid17 (talkcontribs)

Interesting F-15 image[edit]

This image may be too artistic for the WP article but it's still a cool shot. --Marc Kupper|talk 09:49, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

F-15S/F-15SA[edit]

Recent contract http://www.defense.gov/contracts/contract.aspx?contractid=4820 for mod kits to change 68 F-15S to F-15SA for Saudi Arabia, variants not actually mentioned in article! MilborneOne (talk) 20:30, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

The F-15S and SA are F-15E-based versions. See the McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle article. The SA upgrades are mentioned there, but the mod kit contract has not been added there yet. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:50, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks hadnt noticed they were E variants. MilborneOne (talk) 21:02, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

F-15s bested Indian Su-30MKI and MiG-29 during Red Flag 2008[edit]

This is based of the Speech of an US Col. which was rebutted by the IAF as well as the USAF.

here is the IAF's version of Red Flag 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2ml10I-_TI

Apart from that, this is another article showing otherwise

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2008/11/a-final-word-from-india-on-you.html

So, rather not put something up which has no solid evidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.62.161.49 (talk) 15:33, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

You and your 'IP pals' have repeatedly removed the text on this without any explanation, which looks like vandalism. There's just as must evidence for this as Cope 2004, which you have left alone. -Fnlayson (talk) 16:58, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

I will do more research on Cope India 2004 and get back. But in this case, it seems a conclusion is being made based of a person's speech which was officially never accepted by anyone, rather it became famous around the internet among people who rather wanted ot see the USAF win over the IAF. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.62.171.97 (talk) 13:24, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

New lede image[edit]

67 FS F-15 Eagle in action at Red Flag–Alaska

The current lede image isn't too bad but this one I uploaded shows the silhouette much better. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 22:53, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

That does look better. But either image is fine with me. -Fnlayson (talk) 12:58, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
I agree, it does look better. Green547 (talk) 01:10, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

cockpit avionics[edit]

can anyone add there if even first version used "glass" cockpit or they were good old "clocks" avionics like in f-4 and many other planes in taht time used. 2A00:1028:9199:52F6:81B1:C0BB:E0CE:B38 (talk) 15:17, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

F-15E vs S-75/MiG-25 its fact (english WWW//)[edit]

A few F-15E(and versions) was shot down by fire from the ground, or hit by a missile air-to-air. The fact that the loss is not denied, but there is a dispute about the causes (AAA or air defense missiles and air-to-air missiles).[1] [2][3][4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.105.158.243 (talk) 14:11, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

  • The F-15E is the strike version and is mainly covered at McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle, not here. Also, the text about combat wins and losses states air superiority versions, the A/B/C/D models. It can't get much clearer than this, imo. -Fnlayson (talk) 21:21, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Main article: List of F-15 operators
Israel

Israeli Air Force has operated F-15s since 1977. The IAF has 43 F-15A/B/C/D (20 F-15A, 6 F-15B, 11 F-15C, and 6 F-15D) aircraft in service as of January 2011.[98]

+ http://www.airwar.ru/history/locwar/bv/mig25isr/mig25isr.html

+ think you know that many times the air-to-air missile got into F15 but the plane was not shot down and was repaired + There are good sources I can add more (especially this)

+ Operational history[edit] Introduction and early service[edit] + http://www.airwar.ru/history/locwar/bv/mig25isr/mig25isr.html but not F-15E_Strike_Eagle exactly F-15, on the source strictly as F15 and does not E version but without the debris on the ground.

I do not think that Airwar.ru is a WP:Reliable Source - as such, what it says cannot have any bearing in formal work such as an encyclopedia. Kyteto (talk) 15:08, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Safe combat?[edit]

I had made a minor edit.

"A variety of air-to-air weaponry can be carried by the F-15. An automated weapon system enables the pilot to perform aerial combat effectively and safely, using the head-up display and the avionics and weapons controls located on the engine throttles or control stick. When the pilot changes from one weapon system to another, visual guidance for the required weapon automatically appears on the head-up display."

I removed the "and safely" because I don't think there is any such thing as safe combat. However, I was reverted. I wanted to ask why? Green547 (talk) 00:51, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

That's certainty not what the text means. Don't you think inadvertently releasing a weapon would be unsafe? -Fnlayson (talk) 01:59, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Maybe "...enables the pilot to release/use weapons effectively and safely..." would be worded better. Because "...enables the pilot to perform aerial combat effectively and safely..." might be a bit misleading. It's not a big deal anyway. Green547 (talk) 00:19, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm editing it, since no one has made an objection. Green547 (talk) 00:51, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Современная практика учебного боя. Если равные условия.[edit]

  • 1992. В США против Су-27 ВВС России на условиях ближнего боя. Значительное превосходство было показано за Су-27.[1][2]
  • 1998. ВВС Германии и США над Германией. Миг-29 показал абсолютное превосходство над F-16, и в ближнем бою возможность захватывать цель в 30 раз большем объёме пространства чем F-15.[3] В нескольких учебных боях против пилотов НАТО на F-15 МиГ-29 показал преимущество.[4]
  • 2004. В Британии в ходе встречи британского Eurofighter Typhoon с двумя американскими истребителями F-15E по инициативе американцев имитировалось боевое столкновение. Typhoon быстро смог поразить обе машины.[5][6] Причём в 2015 Индийские Су-30МКИ показал полное превосходство над Британцами.[7][8][9]
  • 2005 Су-30МКИ ВВС Индии показал превосходство над F-16 и F-15 C/D Eagle ВВС США в небе над Индией. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.218.183.165 (talk) 16:02, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

References

You need to repeat your comment in English please as this is English Wikipedia, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 18:12, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

next week212.119.233.106 (talk) 04:05, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

1992. In the United States against the Su-27 Russian Air Force on condition of close combat. Perfection has been shown for the Su-27.

1998. The German Air Force and the US over Germany. MiG-29 showed absolute superiority over the F-16, and melee ability to capture the goal 30 times greater volume of space than the F-15

2004. In Britain, during a meeting of the British Eurofighter Typhoon with two American fighters F-15E at the initiative of Americans simulated combat engagement. Typhoon could quickly hit both cars. And in 2015 the Indian Su-30MKI has shown superiority over the British.

2003 Cope India, 3 wins from 4 clashes over the United States for the su-30. Later wrote USA today that the air force could influence other countries to seize air superiority for the United States.

2004 Su-30K India against F-15C US short- and medium-distance victory over India. The United States recognized that the victory was not. India has declared victory, one win over f-15 was obtained using the MiG-21. Su-30MKI use less effective radar N001 which later Su-30MKI replaced by the more advanced. In the melee, India reached 90% wins. Excellence received and at medium ranges.

2005 Su-30MKI Indian Air Force has shown superiority over the F-16 and F-15 C / D Eagle US Air Force in the skies over India. Together with the F-16 acted AEW E-3 Sentry.

2008. Doctrine Red Flag-2008, which took place in the United States. The participants of the exercise were the United States, India, South Korea and France. F-15 have succumbed-30MKI in terms of the implementation of the destruction of the fighters, and other problems of the war in the air (strikes on ground targets and air defense suppression) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.162.80.2 (talk) 12:08, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

  • 2005, the Su-30MKI Indian Air Force has shown superiority over the F-16 and F-15 C / D Eagle US Air Force in the skies over India. Along with the F-16 operated AWACS E-3 Sentry. http://lenta.ru/articles/2005/11/08/migs/
  • 2008. Teachings Red Flag-2008, which took place in the United States. The participants of the exercise were the United States, India, South Korea and France. F-15 have succumbed-30MKI in terms of the implementation of the destruction of the fighters, and other problems of the war in the air (strikes on ground targets and air defense suppression). http://topwar.ru/20485-su-30mki-odin-iz- luchshih-v-svoem-klasse.html
None of that is really relevant, as simulated combat isn't actual combat. War game "victories" are meaningless. - BilCat (talk) 12:52, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

but what do you tell me if the F15 would be 90% victory but does not defeats?212.119.233.16 (talk) 11:34, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

It may be. you need to use the text =

In the period from 1992 to 2008 for educational combat F-15 almost no has gained victory against Russia (Su-27), India (Su-30), Germany (Mig-29), England (Typhoon).ref></ref (?This text has the a qualitative English?) + In the US Discovery Channel spoke directly about the defeat of the two F15 against the Typhoon

I do not think that this be met by sane an objection

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Syrian "claims" of F-15 kills are given undue credence in article[edit]

In the section under "Introduction and Early Service", when discussing the battles between Israeli F-15s and Syrian fighters, it simply reports the claims made by both sides. This treats the Syrian claims as if they are subjective truths of equal validity to the Israeli claims, even though it has long been accepted that the Israelis lost no F-15s in air to air combat during this period. Wikipedia's other pages on the air battles over Syria support this (see Operation Mole Cricket 19 and List of F-15 losses, particularly the first line).

I'm not an Israeli fanboy--I simply think the the Israeli/Syrian air battles are reported is misleading to less well informed readers, and argue that this section should be re-worded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sebastienroblin (talkcontribs) 15:37, 7 September 2015 (UTC)