Talk:McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle

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Rename to Boeing F-15 Eagle[edit]

Why is this page called McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle and not Boeing F-15 Eagle? McDD merged with Boeing in 1997 and so Boeing has been producing all F-15s for the last 13 years and all articles since then refer to it as a Boeing product. The page should be renamed the Boeing F-15 Eagle with a redirect from McDD and the same change should be made to the F-15E Strike Eagle page. Mztourist (talk) 04:03, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

  • Oppose - F-15A/B/C/Ds have not been produced for the US since 1991, and the last non-Strike Eagle version, the F-15J, was produced in 1999. The bulk of production therefore occured under McDonnell Douglas, as did all the design work. - BilCat (talk) 04:11, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose We aren't required to use the current manufacturer's name here. The bulk of the F-15s produced were by McDonnell Douglas. -fnlayson (talk) 04:40, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
So why don't we have the Hughes 500 and the Hughes AH-64 pages rather than the MD500 and Boeing AH-64? Calling the page McDD F-15 is archaic and can be covered in the history section. The F-15 is a Boeing product now, only old aircraft enthusiasts (like us presumably) will remember it was once the McDD F-15. Mztourist (talk) 06:50, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
I think there needs to be consistency in naming. If the criteria is design then McDD is obviously the correct name; if its based on number manufactured, then its probably still McDD, if you exclude modifications and remanufacturing; if its based on manufacturer and general usage today then it should be Boeing. I have just done a production (and order) count of the F-15E and Boeing has, or soon will have produced the majority of F-15Es, so it definitely should be renamed Boeing F-15E, just as the C-17 is listed as a Boeing product, though designed and the first few produced by McDD. Mztourist (talk) 07:36, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
There are no firm WPAIR guidelines on which manufacturer name to use on aircraft articles. These are decided on an individual basis at each article, in line with the unique history of each aircraft. However, preference is generally given to the manufacturer that designed the aircraft and produced a substantial number of the production run, even if it's not a majortiy of the aircraft produced.
Also, having variant articles, as with the F-15, gives the opportunity to have the older variants under the original manufacturer, as with the McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 Hornet, with the newer variants under the current manufacturer, as with Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and Boeing EA-18G Growler. In the Super Hornet/Growler situation, none of the production aircraft were made by McDD. The article titles for the OH-6/MD 500 faamily also show the progression of the manufacturers over the years: Hughes OH-6 Cayuse, McDonnell Douglas MD 500 Defender, MD Helicopters MH-6 Little Bird, MD Helicopters MD 500, and Boeing AH-6. Simply picking out the ones that use MD Helicopters to prove your point is misleading, and your proposals would loose that historical progression of maunufacturer by the era each variant was primarily produced.
If you want the titles to have constistency, then trying to move every offending article individually will be doing things the hard way. You'd be better served by going to the Aircraft porject talk page, and proposing a project-wide standard for the naming. Once a consensus has been achived, then proposals can be made to move the articles that need to be renamed under the consensus guidelines. - BilCat (talk) 12:44, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
I agree with the approach on the McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 Hornet, Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and Boeing EA-18G Growler and agree that there can be a progression of aircraft and manufacturers over the years as for the OH-6/MD-500 family. I am not trying to mislead or lose the historic progression of aircraft variants or their manufacturers. I accept that the F-15 Eagle should remain as a McDD product as it is no longer in production and the vast majority were produced by McDD, not Boeing. However the F-15E is a different case, it remains in production and the majority have or soon will have been produced by Boeing, not McDD. I don't see the need to try to get a project-wide standard on naming as the number of legacy aircraft currently produced post-aerospace mergers is probably quite small. I note that you have agreed to the renaming of the T-45, so why don't you agree to the renaming of the F-15E? Mztourist (talk) 14:48, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
The F-15E is not being discussed here, as you've raised that discussion elsewhere. That's partly why I'm suggesting you raise the issue at WTAIR, so we can keep the arguments in one place. - BilCat (talk) 15:00, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose The F-15E may be a different question to consider but the main production of the F-15 was under McDonnell Douglas. Bzuk (talk) 16:03, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Correction in USAF Operators[edit]

Please note that the 23rd FS was never an F-15 operator (nor part of the 36th FW, Bitburg AB), in its place should be the 525th FS. Please reference the 525th FS page (currently an F-22 operator): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/525th_Fighter_Squadron. Coyote1066 (talk) 23:18, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Please make the change. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 23:39, 16 January 2011 (UTC).
Done. First edit but I think I did it right. Coyote1066 (talk) 00:27, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Location for First Flight/which base it was introduced at?[edit]

Where was this aircraft's first flight at or shown to the military and at what base was it EthanKid17 17:54, 10 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by EthanKid17 (talkcontribs)

Its first flight is from St. Louis where it is built. The rest I do not know off the top of my head and seems too minor to mention in this article. -Fnlayson (talk) 18:07, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm just curious so I can have an accurate report for a presentation on it. EthanKid17 18:12, 10 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by EthanKid17 (talkcontribs)
Way too late for EthanKid17's report, but I thought the actual answer might be of interest. According to Baugher (who seems to provide reasonable information in this regard), the first flight was not from St. Louis. The first example's public roll-out was at St. Louis on June 26, 1972, but it was then dismantled and flown as cargo aboard a C-5A to Edwards Air Force Base. So unless you count flying as cargo as a "first flight" :), the real first flight was from Edwards, on July 27, 1972. This wasn't at all unusual, since the aircraft was completely new and had to be extensively checked out by test pilots. The first operational delivery was to Luke Air Force Base in Arizona in November 1974, but that was for a training unit; the first for a combat-ready unit was to Langley Air Force Base in Virginia in January 1976. --Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 06:53, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request for unit cost[edit]

Can someone change the unit costs to what today's prices are for making the units please. EthanKid17 18:00, 10 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by EthanKid17 (talkcontribs)

Don't think so. Factoring inflation can be inaccurate and might be considered original research. -Fnlayson (talk) 18:07, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request F-15/E[edit]

Isn't there a F-15/E somewhere because i pretty sure there is one and if there is one it should be added in with it's predecessor's. EthanKid17 18:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by EthanKid17 (talkcontribs)

You should look through this article for the F-15E links.. -Fnlayson (talk) 18:20, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Thank-you for clarifying for me --EthanKid17 18:26, 10 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by EthanKid17 (talkcontribs)

Interesting F-15 image[edit]

This image may be too artistic for the WP article but it's still a cool shot. --Marc Kupper|talk 09:49, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

F-15S/F-15SA[edit]

Recent contract http://www.defense.gov/contracts/contract.aspx?contractid=4820 for mod kits to change 68 F-15S to F-15SA for Saudi Arabia, variants not actually mentioned in article! MilborneOne (talk) 20:30, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

The F-15S and SA are F-15E-based versions. See the McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle article. The SA upgrades are mentioned there, but the mod kit contract has not been added there yet. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:50, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks hadnt noticed they were E variants. MilborneOne (talk) 21:02, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

F-15s bested Indian Su-30MKI and MiG-29 during Red Flag 2008[edit]

This is based of the Speech of an US Col. which was rebutted by the IAF as well as the USAF.

here is the IAF's version of Red Flag 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2ml10I-_TI

Apart from that, this is another article showing otherwise

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2008/11/a-final-word-from-india-on-you.html


So, rather not put something up which has no solid evidence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.62.161.49 (talk) 15:33, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

You and your 'IP pals' have repeatedly removed the text on this without any explanation, which looks like vandalism. There's just as must evidence for this as Cope 2004, which you have left alone. -Fnlayson (talk) 16:58, 4 March 2013 (UTC)


I will do more research on Cope India 2004 and get back. But in this case, it seems a conclusion is being made based of a person's speech which was officially never accepted by anyone, rather it became famous around the internet among people who rather wanted ot see the USAF win over the IAF. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.62.171.97 (talk) 13:24, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

New lede image[edit]

67 FS F-15 Eagle in action at Red Flag–Alaska

The current lede image isn't too bad but this one I uploaded shows the silhouette much better. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 22:53, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

That does look better. But either image is fine with me. -Fnlayson (talk) 12:58, 16 January 2014 (UTC)