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Creation[edit]

Please add mobile gaming to the Silent Hill template. Orphan and Last Escape are not part of the main plot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.235.160.40 (talk) 15:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I just created this article. It could probably use a section on what "canon" means to a fiction media franchise. It could also use some video game examples. It probably needs to be reorganized a bit. I wrote it mainly with film franchises in mind, and when it occured to me that the ...for Dummies books were an example of a media franchise, I just tacked it on. And it's just occured to me that some mention should probably me made of such huge media franchises as Playboy (magazine, books, TV channel, movies, website, video games, merchandise, pinball machine[!]) and Martha Stewart (TV show, magazine, books) should be added. --Tysto 05:03, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree, at least in part, and I may add some other bits to it as well. I did already create a redirect from television franchise. FrozenPurpleCube 14:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

NPOV - Playboy?[edit]

The following quote regarding Playboy magazine doesn't seem to be NPOV

The Playboy franchise began with the pornographic magazine, ...

I question if the word 'pornographic' is correct in describing this magazine. Request discussion leading to Wikipedia:Consensus. Possibly, the combined term softcore porn might be a more accurate term. --TGC55 (talk) 14:35, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Possible Cleanup[edit]

I was pointed out to this article on IRC, as someone wanted to translate it into French. Now, I have some idea what a media franchise is, this article isn't that clear, especially for someone who might not be familiar with the concepts. I added this to my to-do list, but I've got another article that's in need of a lot more help.

Incorrect Usage[edit]

I know it's been in common usage, but a franchise is when you operate a business on behalf of another business, such as owning your own fast food restaurant. When more than one movie comes out based on the same theme, such as Batman or Star Wars, it is a series, not a franchise. A "Star Wars franchise" would be if other people were making their own authorized films using the name, themes, and characters for George Lucas, but not Lucas himself. Individual McDonalds restaurants, or local network television stations, i.e., an ABC affiliate, are a franchise. Unfortunately the media itself has been dumbing down the English language for a while now, and one writer just copies what they hear, even if it is incorrect usage. If people are having a hard time grasping the subject in non English speaking countries, it's because it's not the correct usage of the word.

Franchise: (noun)

"an authorization granted by a government or company to an individual or group enabling them to carry out specified commercial activities, e.g., providing a broadcasting service or acting as an agent for a company's products."

DavidRavenMoon (talk) 14:38, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Nerds don't get to tell the movie industry that they're using a word wrong. A "horse opera" isn't a proper opera either. So what? --Tysto (talk) 01:51, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect Usage - I Agree/Historical Note[edit]

I very much agree that it's incorrect to call things like "Star Wars" franchises. Some of the things on the list are borderline, like the Bond films, but the majority of them aren't franchises at all.

However, there are film series which are franchises. For instance, a studio or production company made Horror Film I, II and III themselves but after that, they sold the rights to just about anyone who had enough money and basic qualifications to make IV and after. In that case, they really were acting exactly the way McDonalds acts when they let anyone with a certain amount of money open a McDonalds.

So I think this page should have a prominent note explaining that the usage is wrong, but also giving an example of a series which was turned into a franchise, to show how the error came about and the word became applied to any series of films.

hostile17 (talk) 23:49, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

My cut[edit]

"Recently, some parts of the film industry have erroneously begun to use the word "franchise" as a synonym for a film series. However, unless the owners of the copyright to a film series also have trademarked the names of characters and other elements in the films, and are licensing the use of these to others, a film series is not a franchise, as the act of such licensing is what constitutes franchising.[1][2]" Wow! That's a very POV paragraph. It also ignores the fact that many of the film series that have been called franchises (such as Star Trek, Batman, etc) are licensed adaptations of concepts from outside of film with the entire concept being the "franchise". That is, that the "Batman franchise" consists of the comic books, television shows, toys, trading cards, etc as well as the films. --Khajidha (talk) 15:15, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

References

Merge Media mix into this article[edit]

There's no need to give it a separate page. It's just about how the Japanese companies run media franchise under the Japanese Engrish term. (Perhaps, one may create a new section explaining how the franchises are ran in country-by-country cases?) JSH-alive/talk/cont/mail 16:22, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Oppose There is a need to give it a separate page. It is about how Japanese companies invented the concept and successfully exploit it for 50 years now. There are whole books written about it. You are welcome to add a section is you find reliable sources which say that mediamikkusu is nothing special and known under some silly hollywood+siliconvalley buzzword concocted by americans who think they invented all civilization staring from forke and spoone. -M.Altenmann >t 05:58, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Oppose The article's existence is completely justified.--FollowTheSigns (talk) 05:40, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Alright, Bring It![edit]

The consensus is to oppose the proposal. Cunard (talk) 19:12, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(For those joined us from Wikipedia:Requests for comment, we are discussing about whether the Engrish term media mix deserves an own entry or not, when it is no different from 'Western' media franchise.) 07:22, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

What makes Japanese style of franchising and merchandising distinctive from that of Western world (especially United States)? 1.225.235.213 (talk) 13:28, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

As you can see above the merge proposal was rejected. If you think this was the wrong decision then re-open the discussion, don't just push a merge through against consensus. Betty Logan (talk) 18:01, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Okay! Let the formal merger discussion begin. Bring what you think it is a unique example in Japanese practice, then someone will prove that there is the Western equivalent. 1.225.235.213 (talk) 10:40, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

  • oppose "Western equivalent" may have a separate article about how it copycat the Japanese one. Japanese is unique because it was fisrt and because it is ..er.. Japanese. - üser:Altenmann >t 19:22, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
    • Comment Umm... okay? Citation needed? Which Japanese franchise started it, and when did it began? 1.225.235.213 (talk) 07:22, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
      • did you read the article? dont be confused. media franchise is not simply casting a film from the book or writing a song for the film. in such simplistic terms you can probably trace it to middle ages (book/theatre/song). in any case, even skipping pissing contest, we merge articles when subjects are the same and texts overlap. in this case it is clearly not. - üser:Altenmann >t 17:01, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Summoned by bot. This proposal should not be in the form of an RfC. I'd suggest reopening the discussion in a new section but for the time being, I oppose the merge because the pages cover different topics and there is no overlap. Meatsgains (talk) 16:21, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Merge this with Media Mix[edit]

Since the title of this page is incorrect ad these entities aren't franchises like KFC are, why don't we incorporate the information from this page into Media Mix instead of the other way around?--143.167.25.73 (talk) 04:16, 29 May 2016 (UTC)