Talk:Mediterranean Sea

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Seems the default alignment gods have awakened, and they are not pleased ...[edit]

... now---after two+ days and 5 intervening edits---they have reverted my attempt to place a normal graphic (glamorous though it is, in this case) above an infobox template. I have accomplished this small act of art on other pages without being rejected, --so now, what's up with "Infobox Med Sea"? (Pls note my article edit of 10 November---which presented "nicely" (= glamorous graphic on top, with infobox below it) for more than 2 days!)

Is there a doctor in the house? That is, will someone knowledgeable of template design (and of high authority) please "fixit" (this infobox) so a happy lede composition can prevail? Or, if the worst is true, pls advise as to why I am (we all are) doomed by the whims of the Elevated Defaults. Thanks, and Regards.. //Jbeans (talk) 00:59, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Clarification on the "Settlements" section of the infobox?[edit]

What is the purpose of the Settlements section below the 'Islands' section of the infobox? I understand that it is a list of settlements, but what is the significance of those settlements in particular? Why leave out, say, Marseille? What are the criteria for being listed there? --Thek826 (talk) 00:42, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Apparently, some have taken issue with my corrections of the Mediterranean Sea page to be geographical instead of political. Rather than support the opposing position with facts, they simply criticised. Can those of you who take issue please explain to me why you feel it is necessary to politicise a geographical entry? Geography should be completely separate from politics. In the case of the Mediterranean Sea (and the lands surrounding it), no matter how much you or others have a deep personal desire to have a country called "Palestine" exist, it does not. I would like very much to be a cardiothoracic surgeon, but I highly doubt anyone would let me cut open their chest and do a bypass. So, unless someone can come up with legal proof that such a country as "Palestine" exists, by including it in the section on the Mediterranean Sea you have corrupted an entry on geography. While I was so desperately hoping that Scotland would vote for independence last summer, when the plebiscite did not pass, I did not immediately go to Wikipedia and change that region of the UK north of England to the "Jacobian Stuart Kingdom of Scotland." I will give those opposing the correction toward fact-based geography the opportunity to change the Mediterranean Sea entry back to what reflects geographic reality. I think it is important that someone other than myself do it to prove that it is understood that geography is geography, not some subjective and arbitrary platform for the expression of personal political opinions. Dpbf (talk) 21:03, 28 December 2015 (UTC)DPBF

spellings[edit]

I noticed the article had American Spellings in it, and I looked to the original version of the article, and, the Americans had written it, used "kilometer" as opposed to "kilometre" so there it is. I switched the article back accordingly.

British English seems more appropriate to me, as that's the variant that's spoken in the English-speaking territories around the sea (Gibraltar, Akrotiri & Dhekelia, Malta). It's not always about the variant that the article first used. Bazonka (talk) 11:57, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
Which version is more prevalent in Spain, Italy, France? Also countries on the med. It really is almost always about the first variant the article used, especially as all the places you named, save Gibraltar, don't have English as their official language.
Wrong and wrong. Akrotiri and Dhekelia are British territories so British English is their official language, and English is one of the official languages of Malta - Maltese English of course, but that's much closer to BrE than to AmE. As for the variant we use in articles, see WP:ENGVAR. In this case, MOS:TIES applies which trumps the which-was-used-first approach. (It does not matter which version is most used in Spain etc. as these are not native English-speaking countries, although I would expect that the majority of speakers there use the European variant, i.e. BrE.) Also, please remember to sign your posts in future. Bazonka (talk) 16:39, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi protect request edit on 6 July 2016[edit]

Being a popular article it over course needs protection to prevent vandalism...2601:183:4000:D5BD:C462:4A21:EEED:F26 (talk) 23:24, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Padlock-dash2.svg Not done: requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Stickee (talk) 23:58, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Settlement criterion[edit]

Is there a criterion for "settlement" in the infobox? Gaza should probably be there - by size and notability its very close to Tel-Aviv. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 12:04, 23 July 2016 (UTC) Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 12:04, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Cyprus[edit]

Cyprus include the Northern Cyprus ( self-declared state (recognised only by Turkey), see also History of Cyprus at #Modern era, and in the introduction to this article, it is not very useful to clarify this particular point. Thank you for your opinions. Bear-rings (talk) 14:05, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Who decides it is not useful to include something that physically exists, even if generally not recognised?? Whether you like it or not, Northern Cyprus exists and therefore can be included. The fact that it is only recognised by Turkey is neither here nor there. If you arrive in North Nicosia who will check your passport - the Republic of Cyprus or the state of Northern Cyprus?? Wikipedia exists to provide as much information as possible. Just because you don't approve of the existence of Northern Cyprus is not sufficient reason for removing content. Before you remove this content again, please get general consensus to do so. Thank you. Denisarona (talk) 15:26, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
Your answer: Just because you don't approve of the existence of Northern Cyprus is a personal attack and does not respond to the topic. Cyprus is an island consisting of both State parties and it is easy to find the details in the corresponding article and other. Expect the notice of other contributors, thank you. Bear-rings (talk) 08:35, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
That doesn't seem like a personal attack to me, and it is certainly not off-topic. My opinion is that Northern Cyprus does de facto exist, and it is notable; therefore it should be mentioned in this article, but of course it needs an explanatory note to show that it is disputed. Bazonka (talk) 17:11, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Just because you don't approve of the existence of Northern Cyprus is not a personal attak ? Bear-rings (talk) 17:32, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
It's personal, but my view is that it's not an attack. Seems like a relevant comment to me. You can raise it at WP:ANI if you strongly disagree, but I wouldn't advise it. Bazonka (talk) 05:47, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Back to the subject of including Northern Cyprus or not, in my opinion it would be best to not include it in "list of countries" as it is not a country that is acknowledged by the UN, but it can be included into the section directly below it which starts with "Several other territories also border...", and it can have the caveat attached to it that it is only acknowledged by Turkey. - Takeaway (talk) 18:10, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

This boils down to that old question of what is a country. If we're sticking to UN members only, then your solution seems OK. But in another sense Northern Cyprus is still a country - a largely-unrecognised state is still a state with recognition - and so arguably it should remain (with explanatory note) in the countries section. Bazonka (talk) 05:54, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
If I remember well, the State of Palestine was successfully removed each time from the country list until they finally received a certain measure of recognition by the UN. There are similar cases on Wikipedia where unrecognised states/territories aren't mentioned in a country list. See for instance the infobox of Caucasus, or Somaliland in the Horn of Africa article. It seems to me that Wikipedia needs to draw a line somewhere and that it should not be up to Wikipedians where that line is. UN recognition would seem to be the most reliable source when it comes down to when something is or isn't a "country". - Takeaway (talk) 09:55, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Yes, that is what I'm thinking as well. Athenean (talk) 20:13, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Drainage basin[edit]

Mr IP, a Drainage basin of the Mediterranean Sea is all the land such that surface water will eventually drain into the sea - even if it passes through another country (via a river, for example) first. That is why some some land locked nations are still listed on the Basin countries list in the infobox. - MrOllie (talk) 17:40, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

No landlocked countries should border the sea[edit]

I don't understand why you add landlocked countries. They don't border a sea. Can you tell me why you should add landlocked countries? I would appreciate!

Read what is written directly above your message. - Takeaway (talk) 18:44, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2017[edit]

Could you please stop adding landlocked countries in the Mediterranean Sea? They don't have access to the sea. Thanks! 92.96.100.140 (talk) 15:21, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sir Joseph (talk) 15:48, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
The IP(s) has/have repeatedly been explained about the concept Drainage basin and why landlocked countries can be part of the Mediterranean's drainage basin. Either they don't read what they have been shown or they are just trolling. Seeing how long this has been going on now, the latter seems most plausible. - Takeaway (talk) 16:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

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