Talk:Melania Trump

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Removed "first non-native English speak"[edit]

Hannah Van Buren, Martin Van Buren's wife was a native Dutch speaker.

Deliberately misleading blurb about dating timeline[edit]

The page currently states:

“In September 1998, Knauss met real estate mogul Donald Trump at a party and they began dating[46] while Trump was married to his second wife. In 1999, Trump divorced his second wife, Marla Maples.”

It seems relevant to note that Trump and Maples publicly announced their separation in May 1997, Trump officially filed for divorce three months later in August 1997, and the case was finalized in 1999. This information can be found on the Maples wiki page and the linked sources. Lalafresh01 (talk) 03:32, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

I've changed "married to" to "divorcing" per the above comment. Doremo (talk) 04:29, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

MOS:ETHNICITY[edit]

Per MOS:ETHNICITY I removed the struck portion: "is a Slovene-born American former fashion model and the current first lady of the United States." in the first lede sentence. I also question the need for the second paragraph to begin with birthplace - early life history is rarely lede worthy. The use of her maiden name, Knavs, in the third paragraph is also peculiar.Icewhiz (talk) 05:53, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

This is nonsense. "Slovene-born" does not mean ethnicity. Besides, it is important to include as something noted in majority of sources in her biography. My very best wishes (talk) 17:08, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
"Similarly, previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless they are relevant to the subject's notability." - MOS:ETHNICITY. Passing V is not the issue here - Trump is notable (barely) for modeling (mostly outside of Slovenia) and for being the US first lady - her birthplace is irrelevant to those two. What you are calling "nonesense" is a guideline - which we follow on Wikipedia as such marking is unseeemly.Icewhiz (talk) 17:46, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
That is something notable, mentioned in almost all her short biographies. There is nothing inappropriate here. Here is her official bio provided by White House. It tells: "she is the only First Lady to become a naturalized U.S. citizen"... "Melania Trump was born on April 26, 1970 in Slovenia.". My very best wishes (talk) 20:46, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
It should remain. Her Slovenian birth is absolutely a key part of her identity and is prominently featured in all sources about her. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:47, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
I have restored the longstanding version "Slovene-born American". Since the change has been challenged, it will need consensus here to restore it. This is especially true with a change to the lead sentence. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:52, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
I have a question. "Slovenia" did not exist as an independent country in 1970, when Mrs. Trump was born. Might we want to instead say, "Yugoslav-born"? Unschool 21:37, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
I think we can leave it. "Slovenes" is what the people of the country are called, and they were called that when it was Yugoslavia. It's similar to what we do with Donald Trump's ancestors, who we describe as "German" even though they were born before Germany became a united country. Or people we describe as born in "Russia" rather than born in the USSR. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:11, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Is a "Slovene-born American" somehow different from other Americans? Having this as an adjective modifying American is quite irregular. As for consensus - local consensus can not override a project guideline which clearly states we do not place birth places in the lede unless relevant to notability. Most profiles of any person mention their early life and birth place - Trump is no different. Trump's main claim to notability is being FLOTUS - her birthplace is irrelevant in regards to being FLOTUS, her marriage, or her previous modeling.Icewhiz (talk) 04:10, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
I totally disagree with your position. I see no reason to change the wording. Gandydancer (talk) 04:49, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
(a) The inclusion is consistent with MOS:ETHICITY, and (b) The guideline "is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply.". Not only it can be override by local consensus, but by a decision by an individual contributor if there are no objections from others. My very best wishes (talk) 15:29, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
The inclusion is relevant to her lineage with former first ladies. The article establishes her as the first naturalized FLOTUS. So the question, "Nationalized from where" needs to be answered. ―Buster7  19:51, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Images[edit]

The article contains a very flattering image of a Melania thumbs-up at a rally. Shouldn't we now include an image her and her husbands thumbs-up at the recent ElPaso Hospital visit with the little parentless waif? Seems much more worthy of inclusion than a rally years (2015) ago.―Buster7  19:45, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

I will add a few words about the hospital visit with the photo from El Paso. Gandydancer (talk) 20:25, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Well, I added a few words. It does not sound very professional to me so hopefully someone will improve the writing...Gandydancer (talk) 22:18, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Is child baptized[edit]

As a Catholic Melania is challenged to do all in her power so that her children are baptized and brought up in the Catholic Church. Trump would have been made aware of this undertaking pre-nuptials. Is Baron a baptized Catholic? ―Buster7  14:36, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Umm - only if they do Catholic baptisms at Episcopal Church (United States) - WaPo, Palm Beach Post - Barron was baptized at Bethesda-by-the-Sea aged 8 months. Icewhiz (talk) 14:52, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
No longer a practicing Catholic so I long ago shredded my Rule Book but I guess one baptism is as good as another. ―Buster7  19:25, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the pointers. I've digged out the original 2006 source and added the information to the "Religion" section. — JFG talk 21:59, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

"U.S. citizenship" section has irrelevant material[edit]

The "U.S. citizenship" section contains a campaign statement by then-candidate Donald Trump regarding his proposed immigration policy. "Speaking for his immigration agenda in January 2019, he called the lottery and chain immigration laws "sick and demented" and referring to Mexican immigrants said, "Do you think the country is giving us their finest? No, they're not. No, they're not. They're giving us the opposite of their finest."[47][48]"

Notice that this citation states nothing about Melania Trump, and she is the subject of the present article. You may choose to insert this material into an article regarding Donald Trump's presidential campaign, but it is clearly utterly irrelevant to an article about Melania Trump's life. Any attempt to connect the two demonstrates a nasty political agenda.

I recommend removing the quoted material above, and ending the section with the previous sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Surakmath (talkcontribs) 01:27, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Except for the "nasty political agenda' comment which is just as much out of left field as the quoted material I agree. ―Buster7  01:50, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
I've removed it. Gandydancer (talk) 01:53, 14 August 2019 (UTC)