Talk:Menacer

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How many supported games?[edit]

The article says that only the 6-in-1 bundle game and T2: Arcade supported the Menacer. However, the article gives a list of more than a handfull of supported games. The pages for many of these games do not indicate support for the Gun (ex: Mad Dog McCree). So either the initial statement is wrong or the list is incorrect. Note that specifically the statement in the article is about US games, but the list does not indicate what countries the games were released in.

T2 and the 6-in-1 pack-in were the only Menacer games relased in the US for the vanilla Genesis. All the others in that list require the Sega CD and/or 32X add-on. I have clarified this in the article. Do you have any problem with the dispute notice being taken down? boffy_b 16:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
It's been a week, I'll take it down. I hope no-one minds.boffy_b 20:46, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Body count was released in america on the sega channel. I owned a sega channel in 1995/96 and was 1 of the many games i played. -majinsnake

sources[edit]

I used the video game wikiproject's reliable search custom Google search for "Menacer" and "sega" and got some results. [1] Added two reliable sources into the article. Dream Focus 17:41, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

I still can't find enough sourcing for a dedicated article (other than [2], the WP:VG/RS search is mostly unreliable user-contributed wiki content). I think this topic should be merged. czar  16:57, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Probably worth starting a formal merge discussion then.--SexyKick 02:40, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Sega Genesis#Menacer merge czar  06:37, 27 December 2013 (UTC)


IGN compared the Menacer to the Wii.--SexyKick 21:53, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Also is it worth noting that the 1-up and digital spy articles both mention ToeJam & Earl's Ready Aim Tomatoes as the standout Menacer game? Even compared to the Super Scope 6's own 6 pack?--SexyKick 21:56, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Those conclusions are a bit generous, methinks. (They're not more than passing mentions.) czar  23:14, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
"Fan favorite" ?--SexyKick 00:54, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
At best the sources namedrop the game as being the least terrible of the bunch—if that makes it standout, go for it. I think it's a stretch. (Same for the Wii comparison.) czar  15:30, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Image[edit]

Can someone edit the copyrighted stuff out of the image? Otherwise I suppose it goes up for deletion. Alternatively, we can try for a more encyclopedic shot. (Hint, hint, Evan-Amos) czar  17:15, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Replaced by File:Genesis Menacer (1992) (429270349).jpg czar  06:58, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Games[edit]

The Menacer came with an exclusive 6-game cartridge of mostly target shooting games. The games included on the cartridge are: Pest Control, Space Station Defender, Whack Ball, Front Line, Rockman's Zone, and Ready, Aim Tomatoes! -- the latter stars Sega franchise characters ToeJam and Earl. While most games utilize the light gun as a means to shoot down objects, Whack Ball actually utilized the Menacer as a mouse of sorts. All 6 of the games were conceptualized by Mac Senour, Producer on both the hardware and software. The Menacer works fully with the Sega Mega-CD, even though that system had, with the Konami Justifier, two different light guns developed for it.

Sega and third-party developers did not develop many games for the Menacer. The only compatible Mega Drive games were the 6-game cartridge, Body Count, and T2: The Arcade Game.{{citation needed}} All other Menacer games were for the Sega 32X and/or Sega Mega-CD.

The complete list of supported games is:

Here's some stuff I couldn't source. Thought to move it here instead of deleting it. czar  16:02, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

  • You can click a link to any of those games and confirm they exist and were for the Menacer. No need copying over references from those articles to this one. I don't see any other article that list games for something that has a reference for every single game listed. Did you try searching for sources for the other bit? If you think something needs a source to verify it, place a citation needed tag at the spot you think it should be. Dream Focus 01:39, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
I don't know why you'd say that when Body Count and the Menacer cartridge are the only ones to even mention Menacer in the prose, and there are no refs to copy over since none of the above games even have sourcing. I'm basically adding {{cn}} to the whole section... I didn't think it was necessary to list the six Menacer minigames either, but if you disagree, I know that was in the Digital Spy src. czar  03:03, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Why would you not list the six games that came with the system? Anyway, the Digital Spy reference already listed most of the games, and I found three valid references from sites with proper editorial oversight to count as reliable sources, for three other games listed. Crime Patrol is the only one I don't find a reference for, so I posted for help on the talk page of that article. Any archive of old game manuals would probably show the information. You can reference the primary sources for things like this, stating the manual said so at what page. Dream Focus 06:48, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Reference 6 is unfortunately not a reliable source. It is simply user submitted content to a potentially reliable site.--SexyKick 09:48, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
I think before the merger goes through, it'd be worthwhile to try and submit this article for GA review to see what they think about it passing.--SexyKick 09:48, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Most articles never get that rating, nor do most people notice or care about such things. And its not a merger, its a deletion, since nothing will be merged. Dream Focus 13:44, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
The six-pack is a bunch of minigames that no RS felt were worth discussing, so listing their names does us nothing. The user-contributed GameSpy Classicgaming FAQ and the Sega-16 refs are not WP:VG/RS, so I converted them back to {{cn}}. Quotes from the manuals would be fine (ideally with the |quote= param within the {{cite}} template). I don't think this article is anywhere near GA, so I don't think it's worth wasting the time. Also it's not a deletion discussion because nothing is being deleted. If the six-pack game list is not merged, the anyone interested in the single RS that discusses it can follow its reference. We've already stretched these sources paper thin to have what is currently written. You're welcome to continue to work on this article, but it's mainly description of the light gun and it can be adequately summed up within the Genesis article as a poorly managed flop that takes after the Super Scope with a few games to its name. If more sources appear, by all means keep a dedicated article. Right now there's nothing. czar  15:41, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
The Menacer's mini games don't need to be merged into the main Sega Genesis article because they already have their own article. That's also why they (apart from TJ&E's, arguably...) don't need to be mentioned here.--SexyKick 19:58, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Sega-16 Menacer related interview and list of games[edit]

http://www.sega-16.com/2013/10/interview-mac-senour/

Unrelated, there are 9 Menacer games, though it's 14 if we count the 6-pack six times ;p

Game System Menacer Justifier
Body Count Mega Drive / Sega Channel Yes No
Corpse Killer Sega CD / Sega 32XCD Yes No
Crime Patrol Sega CD Yes No
Lethal Enforcers Sega Genesis / Sega CD No Yes
Lethal Enforcers II Sega Genesis / Sega CD No Yes
Mad Dog McCree Sega CD Yes Yes
Mad Dog II: The Lost Gold Sega CD Yes Yes
Menacer 6-Game Cart Sega Genesis Yes No
Snatcher Sega CD Yes Yes
Terminator 2: The Arcade Game Sega Genesis Yes No
Who Shot Johnny Rock? Sega CD Yes Yes

— Preceding unsigned comment added by SexyKick (talkcontribs) 07:36, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Chart source? [3]
Nice find with that interview. I'm adding to the game list as I find sources that verify the Menacer compatibility. I have a dozen or so more sources to add tomorrow, and I'll work in the interview and a screenshot collage for the six-pack. What's the deal with Sega-16 reliability? It has a big fat ✗ at WP:VG/RS but I saw it used in the Genesis article. czar  07:55, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
I think it should be a "sometimes" source, @Red Phoenix: has more to say about them. But like, I wouldn't use them for game reviews. It depends who wrote their articles. etc.--SexyKick 08:57, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
The instruction manuals at replacement docs should help you out for sources to have a complete list of the games.--SexyKick 09:15, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
The DigitalSpy article also accounts for Mad Dog II: The Lost Gold because it says "the Mad Dog McRee games", plural. I'm applauding your work on this article right now. Amazing.--SexyKick 19:34, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! I think I've run the sources dry at this point (save for EGM #39, if you have a copy). Now I wasn't able to confirm in a reliable source that Snatcher supports Menacer and Legal Enforcers doesn't, so I left those out. I checked the manuals and some reviews and they only talk about the Justifier, but feel free to give it a go. czar  04:00, 19 January 2014 (UTC) Nevermind—covered it with a Sega-16 source, which also confirmed my inclination about Snatcher. czar  06:17, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Finally got my hands on EGM 39, so I think that's officially everything czar  05:00, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination[edit]

TFA[edit]

The 25th anniversary of announcement (May 28, 2017) would be a good time to run this article for "today's featured article". czar  23:37, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Wow, you plan well ahead. You did a great job expanding the article, but this wasn't popular enough to be given a 25th anniversary. Dream Focus 01:09, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
There's likely to be little fanfare, but it's still a more apropos time to run the article on the main page than, say, next week. czar  01:18, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Makes sense to me. I thought the Sega Genesis article would be a TFA on its 25th anniversary, but Sega 32X was instead.--SexyKick 13:43, 11 January 2015 (UTC)