Talk:Mercedes-Benz OM601 engine

This page needs a serious tidyup....as well as the facts separated from opinion and useless garbage --Fordsierra4x4 (talk) 21:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring[edit]

Morton Thiokol, you are currently at 3RR. You need to discuss this matter before you are reported for edit warring beyond this point. As I have already explained on your talk page, there are more ways of doing this than you are insisting on. I have given you details of two of the major style guides that support what I have said: you have provided nothing but your insistence that you are somehow "right". Given here seem more ways of doing this than you are insisting on, WP:STATUS QUO should remain until there is a new consensus. So, again, please stop with the knee-jerk reversions. - SchroCat (talk) 03:01, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"I have given you details of two of the major style guides that support what I have said" Where? All I saw as you insisting that you were right. I, however, did give style guide supporting my correction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morton Thiokol (talk • contribs) 03:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

On your talk page. ~~You have not given details of any guide~~. There is more than one style guide in the world, and edit warring to push something you prefer is not the best way of doing things; other style guides say other things. - SchroCat (talk) 03:43, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are a wide range of styles in English, and only one insists on a colon before a quote or list.

Really? What "style"? would that be? Because consulting my shelf, I see that The Oxford Style Manual (Section 5.5, page 126), The Chicago Manual of Style (Section 6.126, page 271), the MLA Handbook (section 3.2.4, page 86), and Read Me First!: A Style Guide for the Computer Industry (page 37) ALL say to end the introductory clause to a list with colon. In fact my (somewhat old) copy of the The Associated Press Stylebook and Libel Manual says, "The most frequent use of a colon is at the end of a sentence to introduce lists, tabulations, texts, etc." A quick search of my copy of the Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association didn't turn up an explicit rule, but it does introduce their lists using colons.

What are your alternative style guides which say differently?

Oh, and then there's Wikipedia's own Manual of Style:

A colon (:) introduces something which demonstrates, explains, or modifies what has come before, or is a list of items that has just been introduced. The items in such a list may be separated by commas; or, if they are more complex and perhaps themselves contain commas, the items should be separated by semicolons.

...not that I needed to check, but both A Dictionary of Modern English Usage and The Complete Plain Words both back up what I'm saying.

Cool. Page numbers please, because I can't find anything about punctuating lists in my copy of The New Fowler's Modern English Usage. --Calton | Talk 18:42, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I will repeat: not all style guides insist on it, particularly outside the US, and the sooner people take that on board the better this place will be. This dross from the edit warrior was not needed, but if you wish to defend blind ignorance based on your own personal preference, then please do it in a properly written paragraph that doesn't keep dropping into italics and sporadic half-sentences. – SchroCat (talk) 18:53, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I will repeat: not all style guides insist on it.

That's nice. Evidence?

...particularly outside the US

English-language style manuals? Like, say, The Oxford Style Manual (Section 5.5, page 126)?

...if you wish to defend blind ignorance
I cited numerous sources, by name and page number (including Wikipedia's own style guide), whilst you have cited nothing whatsoever except your own personal hostility and WP:OWNERSHIP issues. So, unless you wish to essentially prove that your "blind ignorance based on your own personal preference" statement here is self-aimed, perhaps you could back up a single tiny shred of your bluster with something vaguely resembling evidence. --Calton | Talk 19:01, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ownership? I see the complete ignorance is not limited to the edit warrior (the Oxford guide is half based on US usage, for example, thus the American styles of use of ~ize and the serial comma are prevalent, but don't let the fact that there is a whole world out there bother you). If you're going to accuse me of ownership despite any obvious evidence to the contrary, I'll de-watch this and leave you to fester in the mire of the second rate. Toodles - SchroCat (talk) 19:50, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]