Talk:Michael Sendivogius

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Bollocks[edit]

He was among the few alchemists who supposedly knew the secret of the philosopher's stone. And was imprisoned several times by various German princes who tortured him to divulge his secrets. What rubbish. Is there a source for this somewhere? Or does someone just remember learning this in school in Poland in the 1970s? 136.186.1.116 13:27, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What the hell?! Australian hillbillies tainting Wikipedia with their refined thoughts?! The text says 'supposedly'. Learn how to read, dumbass. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.143.3 (talk) 16:59, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He was not thought to have known the secret. That's the whole point. Seton never told him, and why would his wife have known?

134.2.246.153 (talk) 02:06, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Parroting A Three-Hundred-Fifty Year Old Fabrication[edit]

This whole story about Sendivogius marrying Seton's widow was shown by Rafal Prinke to be nothing but a fabrication, as is most of DeNoyer's biography (The Rosicrucian Enlightenment Revisited, 1999, p.143-192). There are no records of this marriage and it does not fit into the chronology of what we know about his life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.248.59.107 (talk) 13:30, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not only that, it appears that Alexander Seton himself was completely fictitious.

His biographical data only exists for the years 1601-1604. And it only exists in a letter written by Pierre des Noyers in 1651 for the express purpose of libeling and discrediting Sendivoj.

This letter was edited and expanded by Pinocci in 1669, and both were extensively quoted for the next two hundred and fifty years, giving "historical credibility" to the tale, since there is apparent "independent confirmation."

Even Wikipedia doesn't think Seton exists. The link in the first paragraph for Alexander Seton leads to a disambiguation page, containing four Alexander Setons, none of whom is a Scottish alchemist who died in 1604.

From The alchemy reader: from Hermes Trismegistus to Isaac Newton by Stanton J. Linden, Cambridge University Press, 2003: "Such, at least, is the legend that Sendivogius was thought to have lived until late twentieth-century researchers vindicated his name ..."

Dr. Prinke's "Twefth Adept" in The Rosicrucian Enlightenment Revisited, cited by the previous poster, is painstakingly researched from original Polish source material. It makes a mockery of the entire first paragraph of the Wikipedia article, which, in my opinion, should be updated to reflect the facts as uncovered by Prinke.

Prignillius (talk) 01:35, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 May 2020[edit]

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The result of the move request was: page moved. (non-admin closure) ~SS49~ {talk} 09:50, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sendivogius → Michael Sendivogius – No reason to have it only as his surname; every other language uses his full name IWI (chat) 01:08, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. No brainer, sources confirm his first name is commonly used. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:44, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: We could do what 9 other foreign-language Wikipedias, of 18, do – Catalan, Esperanto, Finnish, German, Norwegian, Polish, Portuguese, Slovak, Spanish – and title the article "Michał Sędziwój" (in the Polish spelling). Nihil novi (talk) 06:08, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

When you look at WP:COMMONNAME, it is clear the most common name in English is Michael Sendivogius. IWI (chat) 00:37, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support - First name widely used. @Nihil novi: This is English Wikipedia so Latinization and Anglicization of names from medieval times or the Renaissance when Latin was official is appropriate eg. Copernicus, Gallus Anonymous etc. Oliszydlowski (talk) 15:15, May 18, 2020 (UTC)
Support. Nihil novi (talk) 02:35, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The Polish "Tv Series"[edit]

He was also shown (thinly disguised) as the Alchemist Sendivogius in a Polish TV series ^['which?] in the 1980s.

I think we can safely affirm the TV series in question as actually a movie, this one right here. It was made in Poland during the 80s and it features a polish Alchemist called only by the name surname Sendivogius. Not only that, but Alexander Seton, his wife, and the whole legend involving the secret of the Philosopher's Stone are a major plot point. 200.171.230.88 (talk) 22:06, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]