Talk:Michael Applebaum

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Corruption scandal[edit]

Something should be mentioned and I am sure this man is corrupt as proverbial fuck.

You're free to think whatever you want about him on your own time. But as of right now, nobody's linked him to any evidence of corruption at all, and accordingly it's not Wikipedia's job to make unsubstantiated claims. Bearcat (talk) 15:41, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Well, well, looks like my thinking was correct after all... He is now under investigation for machinations and financial shenanigans.
I couldn't believe my ears when this obviously corrupt man was elected to replace another corrupt mayor in the middle of the biggest corruption scandal. How could it not be obvious to anyone else but myself that this man is also corrupt? Why didn't the cops notify politicos or leak to the media that he is under investigation when he was being considered for mayor position?
The whole thing makes me sick. And now he lies, saying he is "not under investigation"--Autismal (talk) 15:32, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
I am the user who created this section back in 2012 when no one would dare accuse the obviously corrupt Mr. Applebaum. I was since banned on Wikipedia (user: Autismal).
I now accuse Denis Coderre of being one of the most corrupt. It is so damn OBVIOUS. Why no one investigates this pig of a fleshy human scum bag?
Denis Coderre is one of the most corrupt Quebec politicians. He needs to be prosecuted, pay restitution and put in prison. Ditto Dr. Philippe Couillard.
And while we're at it... practically the entire Quebec political establishment is corrupt to the core. This endless hypocrisy makes me sick. -- (talk) 16:17, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
What you need to understand is that Wikipedia is not in the business of publishing original research or unsubstantiated allegations; our role here begins and ends at summarizing what other reliable sources have already published about the topic. That is, it is not our place to suggest anything about Michael Applebaum or Denis Coderre or Philippe Couillard being even possibly corrupt until such time as the media have published properly substantiated evidence of wrongdoing. It's the media's job to dig into allegations of corruption, not ours — once they've published something Wikipedia can reflect that, but until they do so it's not Wikipedia's job to beat them to the punch.
This situation has been handled entirely correctly all the way through, because until it could be properly sourced that he had actually been arrested and charged with a crime it was not our job to publish unsubstantiated assertions. Now that there is concrete evidence being published by the media, the article can address the matter (without stepping over the bounds of what can be properly verified, of course), but at the time of your original assertions there was nothing that Wikipedia could legitimately say due to the lack of properly sourced evidence of anything. And for the same reason, you can just hold your horses on Coderre and Couillard too until such time as a media outlet goes public with properly substantiated evidence of wrongdoing. Given the track record of most politicians, it's certainly not impossible that you are actually correct — but it simply isn't our job to allege anything on here that hasn't already been published by the media. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a crowdsourced investigative journalism project or a forum for discussing personal opinions; regardless of whether you're right or wrong about an allegation of corruption against a political figure, it's not our role to say anything either way until the media break a real, substantiated story. Bearcat (talk) 16:52, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I agree, just because the other user happened to be right about Applebaum in no way gives them any authority to accuse any other living people of criminal activity (one of which is the leader of a major political party).-- (talk) 19:16, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

First Jewish mayor[edit]

Just for a little bit of clarification in case anybody needs it, the occasional editwarring that takes place over whether Applebaum was the "first" or "second" Jewish mayor of Montreal stems from the fact that Joseph Schubert, a city councillor in the 1920s, held the title of "acting mayor" for three months in 1927.

While it's true that an "acting mayor" can be the person who steps up to the top job when the previous mayor has resigned (as Jane Cowell-Poitras did both leading into and out of Applebaum's term in office), it can also be the person who just holds down the fort at city hall for a day or two while the real mayor is out of town. The sources about Schubert are quite clear that in his era, "acting mayor" was a title which was always held by a city councillor even while there was still a "real mayor" above him — and they're also quite clear that the real mayor, Médéric Martin, never resigned from office and never took an extended leave of absence from the job. Rather, the role of "acting mayor" was quite plainly that of a deputy mayor, filling in when Martin was absent but never formally replacing him in the long term. There is not, in fact, a single source on earth which considers Schubert to ever have actually been the mayor of Montreal. The title that he held is potentially ambiguous, admittedly — but the sources are quite clear about what the nature of his role actually was, and it wasn't that of an actual mayor. He filled in occasionally when Martin was unavailable, but he was never Martin's formal or functional replacement.

Accordingly, Applebaum is correctly described as the first Jewish mayor of the city, because Schubert was never the mayor. This is not a matter of anybody trying to "protect" Applebaum; it's a question of looking at what the sources actually say. Bearcat (talk) 18:37, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Just to clarify for the uninitiated and the ADD folks - Michael Applebaum was a TEMPORARY, INTERIM mayor.
A distinction without a difference. An "interim mayor" is still a mayor; an "acting mayor" may or may not be depending on the context. Bearcat (talk) 21:06, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Michael Applebaum was not elected for mayor by the people of Montreal.
Which has exactly zero bearing on the matter at hand. Bearcat (talk) 21:34, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protection still necessary?[edit]

I noticed in my attempt to add the details of Applebaum's recent parole that this page is still semi-protected. My account lacks the minimum number of edits necessary to make this change. I was wondering if this status is still necessary for the article, considering that the dust has long since settled and most of the details are documented at this point. CForrester514 (talk) 19:14, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Corruption section[edit]

A few notes on the "Corruption" section. Since Applebaum's conviction, the line between alleged coprruptiuon and proven corruption has moved. Applebaum was arrest on charges involving a total of 10 real estate deals. He was tried and convicted of two. I have used the trial decision [1] to document corruption as it contains the legally established facts of the case. Anything found there can be presented as truth, without any of this silly "alleged", "according to", "the witness said" weasel wording like you find in precondition literature. Unfortunately, this decision has not been translated into English, so I had to some translation. i've tried to link to both the French trial decision and an English news site for completeness. English sources link to pre verdict sources, so they may depict the crimes committed as alleged. Anyone wishing to edit this section should take care to check with the trial decision to if they can.

  1. ^ Reine c. Michael Applebaum, CanLII 500-01-090833-135 (Court of Quebec 26 January 2017).

Also, I'll be adding sections on the two real estate cases that Mr. Greasypalms and a few of the 8alleged cases that are still being investigated.

Which reminds me, this case is far from over. This is an ongoing story. Please write "as of November 2017" instead of "currently" or "as of now" when describing Mr. Flingflang's current predicament. soulscanner (talk) 06:48, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

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