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- 1 Medical problems
- 2 Moonlight Shadow
- 3 New Wave
- 4 Bag pipe
- 5 iTunes Tubular Bells Download
- 6 See Also section
- 7 Froggy Went Courting
- 8 Pre-Tubular Bells
- 9 Possible error in page regarding The Space Movie soundtrack
- 10 Dates of Works:Collaborations
- 11 Postman pat?
- 12 Fair use rationale for Image:Voyager Oldfield.jpg
- 13 Genre: Trance?
- 14 Medwyn Goodall
- 15 Mike's Guitars
- 16 The Sun
- 17 Virgin
- 18 Synthesis of published material?
- 19 Anita Hegerland
- 20 Six-figure sum
- 21 Cover versions
- 22 Olympics opening ceremony relevance
- 23 Personal life
- 24 See also
- 25 External links modified
- Yes, it was as part of the Exegesis programme and it seems to have been quite a turning point for him, at least temporarily, as he himself recognises. Should be restored. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
According to Oldfield in an interview, Moonlight Shadow was not about Lennon's assassination. However, he admitted that it was possible he may have made the connection subconciously as the time at which he was writing it, he arrived in New York the night the assassination happened. Does this warrant a rephrasing of the statement about Moonlight Shadow?
Perhaps change to "Moonlight Shadow was influenced by the Death of John Lennon but was not written with the death in mind"? GregRobson 20:41, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Allmusic.com says that Oldfield was inspired to write "Moonlight Shadow" by the movie Houdini.
Just out of curiousity, which interview? My impression the last 23 (ick!) years or so was that it was indeed about the murder of John Lennon, though I admit that I can recall having read/heard Mike say this himself. Calanor 18:53, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
The New Wave music article names Mike Oldfield. What do you think, does this makes sense? In two intervies I got from google (unfortunately, german interviews translated into german) Oldfield expresses his disregard - but I have to admit that his sound around 1983-84 was not far away from famous New Wave Bands. Just listening to "Dancing With Tears in my Eyes" from Ultravox ;) Rabauz 13:39, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I haven't found any of his music to be "New Wave". Prog-rock, New Age and a blend of World Music, yes.
Well, what is New Wave, really? You often get different answers depending on who you ask. IMO, the originally rocky/punky New Wave sound eventually included just about any kind of popular music in the late 70s and early 80s (I've heard people call Kate Bush's "Wuthering Heights" New Wave :o ). To be honest, I think many artists were, in some way or another, influenced by New Wave at the time. That being said, Mike's definitely not the first one that pops up in my mind when I think of this genre. Calanor 18:53, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I am looking for the DVD of a live concert which included a bagpipe scene near the end. Might have been the Acropolis
Hi, I think you refer to the TBII DVD (live in Edinburgh in front of the Castle). And by the way, you can sign a message by using four tildes (~). Fram 11:21, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
iTunes Tubular Bells Download
I have added a download part due to the mystery surrounding the Tubular Bells version available on iTunes, or at least the Crown Records version. If anyone can add any information about this it would assist a lot of fans who are wondering about it at the moment.
- I'll remove this section again, as it is a minor speculation on some fan pages without any reliable sources (the source given in the article is about a record label that folded in 1969! and has no reference to Oldfield at all). I have checked on Google, and there are no good sources for this (or even for the fact that "a lot of fans are wondering"). E.g. on Tubular.net (arguably one of the larger Oldfield fora), there is no mention at all of "crown records". Fram 12:04, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
- What is the minor speculation? This is an iTunes download that has been made available on numerous iTunes sites, i.e. the various 'iTunes shops'. At first us Oldfield fans were confused as it was unheard of, however it has now been sourced to the Crown Record label and their history has become clearer too. The fact that you have found little information about this release, is exactly why I entered it into the article, it (was) quite a rarity and sounds completely different from the original / re-master / quad mixes etc... I don't understand why you seem to want to stifle this information. Stephenjh 22:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- Minor speculation: I have found speculation about it on one German fan site, and nowhere else. I probably missed a few, but e.g. Tubular.net, the largest English language Oldfield site / forum, does not discuss this download at all. In fact, on rechecking, all other (bar one, mp3get.net) sites that "discuss" this download are just wiki-mirrors. Please give me some good sources for your statements about this being speculated upon, and I may reconsider. And then please provide better sources than a link to a Crown Records site which states that it folded in 1969 (i.e. four years before the release of TB), and which has no mention of Oldfield or Tubular Bells at all. For now, all we have is some WP:OR by you, but no reliable sources indicating either the accuracy or the importance of this information. This is the reason I want to "stifle this information": it violates our main policy, WP:ATT, completely. Fram 06:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- This item is discussed on Tubular.net's forum . There, the opinion seems to be that it is not Oldfield, but that iTunes have broken no copyright laws as the music is Tubular Bells, and the music was written by Mike Oldfield. iTunes were informed about this download over a year ago but have not removed it from there global shops / sites. Personally, I don't think the 'opinion' on the Tubular.net Forum proves whether it is, or it isn't, Oldfield. Someone has also suggested that it is a 'Studio Group' replicating his music, which may be possible too.
- It seems to me that the fact that there is an iTunes download available of Tubular Bells(Parts One and Two) should at least be mentioned on the Tubular Bells Wiki' page (as a variant), if not on the Oldfield Discography. I'm not convinced I can 'prove' to you it is Oldfield anymore than you can 'prove' to me it isn't, without verification from Oldfield himself, but this version exists and it's worthy of an entry. In fact, I'm listening to it right now, do you have your own copy? Have you listened to it all the way through? Stephenjh 08:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, for starters it apparently is made by CrownStar records, not by Crown Records, which explains why your source had absolutely no info on it, and why I couldn't find the discussion on Tubular.net. Secondly, I don't have a copy and don't plan to download one (or buy a physical one). Why would I. Please check out original research policy. Finally, most comments and common sense point in the direction of this being a cover version (like there are many), which is not listed in any official discography, and which does not belong on the main Mike Oldfield page without good, reliable sources (not fan forums). We don't list Duo Sonare, Paul Hardcastle or Da Boy Tommy here either, even though they all made partial or complete TB covers. This is just not important (41 google hits for tubular bells plus crownstar... ), and has no reliable sources (all we have are websites offering a download, which only shows existence, and fan fora discussing it, which aren't reliable sources: there is not one reliable source discussing this download, so we should not discuss it either). It still fails WP:ATT. Fram 09:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, I don't understand what you said there. I am going to put the download information on the Tubular Bells page under 'cover versions', for now, but with a note that the artists playing are un-named. OK? Stephenjh 09:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- Perfect, thanks. Fram 12:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
See Also section
Hey whats with all the additional bands / artists there - It made sense when Sally and Terry were listed, and I could agree with David Bedford, but are all the others justified - cos not all of the linked pages even mention Mike - not sure enough of thereasoning here so havent done any edits, whats the opinion? Alimat 21:26, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
- It looks to me like only the two Oldfields, the two genres, and perhaps the list of songs link, are correct here. The other ones should be considered as similar artists, perhaps, but then many more can be added, and such lists seem to me more useful when discussing a genre, not under the heading of an artist. If needed and if sources ar given, lists of artists influencing Mike Oldfield (from Sibelius over Bert Jansch to Vangelis), and lists of artists influenced by Oldfield (like Orbital) can be added. Fram 12:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Froggy Went Courting
Does anyone know if Mike Oldfield's FROGGY WENT A COURTING made it onto a CD or DVD ?? All I can find are a few EP records. Thanks, Norm 220.127.116.11 07:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
I think it was the B side of the 1974 single titled "Mike Oldfield's Single" which was subtitled "Excerpt from Tubular Bells" but was really not an excerpt at all but a newly recorded version of a portion of part two, slowed down). I don't know if it has turned up anywhere else.
Shouldn't there be some details about his musical activity prior to releasing TB ? How did he get a record contract ? -- Beardo 09:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- Done. Needs a wee bit of expansion, though. --Stevefarrell 12:25, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Possible error in page regarding The Space Movie soundtrack
The album used in The Space Movie was Ommadawn, and NOT tubular bells, however the IMDB entry for this film is practically devoid of any information. Can anybody verify this fact?
- AFAIK (it is about ten years since I heard the complete Space Movie once), they used TB (orchestral), Hergest Ridge (orchestral: only appearance of this outside one testpressing and bootlegs), Ommadawn, Incantations, and some small other pieces. The easily available part of The Space Movie (on the Elements DVD) does only contain the Incantations part though. Fram 19:14, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Dates of Works:Collaborations
no doubt the CD of "Variations on a Theme By..." was Released in 1995, but it was recorded in the early 1970s, right?
I am sure I heard on BBC Radio 2 that Mike Oldfield was doing a sound track for a postman pat movie? Maybe my ears are deceiving me as I cannot find any collaborating info on the internet. --anewman 21:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
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I don't think it's correct to say that Trance is one of the genres mike has played, in reference to Light + Shade, since in that album only one song is truly Trance, I think the others can be considered being Electronica or Ambient, but not Trance. You may listen to any album from, e.g, Paul Van Dyk or Tiesto, for any doubt.
I mean, if we include Trance in the list of genres due to only one track, then we should also include more genres, for instance Reggae (Gimme Back in Heaven's Open). Ilyes 20:44, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- You have a good point there; i might switch it with Classical.... TubularWorld 10:55, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- IMO, Mike can't really be pigeonholed into a few genres. Amarok alone comprises, by my count, at least 20 distinct genres. Looking at his collective work, that number grows even larger. Kel - Ex-web.god 19:11, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
I know Medwyn has credited Mike as a huge influence on his own work. In "The Essence," off the Essence of Magic album, I was not too surprised to hear Mike's distinctive guitar work and assumed Medwyn had brought his hero in to contribute to the recording. However, I can't find anyplace where Mike is credited. Was this due to legalities? --Bluejay Young 01:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Over the last year, Mike appears to have auctioned off many of his trademark instruments including his salmon pink Stratocaster (referred to by other Wikipedia pages as his favourite guitar). Some information here, look at the panel on the right. Danny Darko (talk) 19:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
- I was thinking about adding an instruments section on here a while back, but couldn't think how best to do it (in an encylopedic way). Of course we can't have something the size of tubular.net's list. I might get round to it later this week, when I'm not busy. SkeletorUK (talk) 19:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm surprised to see that an article in the British "redtop" (tabloid) The Sun is given as a source for anything. My memories of the "Street of Shame" column in Private Eye suggest that The Sun will publish anything whatever that it thinks will appeal to its readers; mere facts aren't its concern. Is it now regarded as an "encyclopedic" source? Morenoodles (talk) 07:13, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- Not to mention that pretty much the whole Sun article was added to this entry. Unless someone can find additional sources, I'd suggest removing at least the "he and his girlfriend spent the summer of 2006 there" part (the Sun article doesn't mention what summer) and the part about the yacht. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 09:56, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
- I'd agree that The Sun is not a scholarly source and therefore not appropriate for use as a source in an encyclopaedia. I'm just compelled to highlight the irony of using Private Eye as evidence of how inappropriate The Sun's is. Semafore (talk) 22:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
- It appears to have been about a lot of things, including Oldfield's original contract, the promotion of his albums, and pressures to create a lot of 'pop music'.--TubularWorld (talk) 18:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Synthesis of published material?
Quoting from the article: "This theory is supported by the fact that Heaven's Open is the only album that Oldfield released as Michael Oldfield, not Mike Oldfield." As a reasonably new editor to wikipedia I feel ill qualified to judge. Do you consider this to be original research, in particular "Synthesis of published material which advances a position"? Semafore (talk) 22:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
I find it strange that there is almost no mention of his collaboration with this Norwegian singer. She contributed considerably in the vocal department for a period in the 80's. Mortyman (talk) 21:30, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
The following appears in the Personal life section:
The resulting court case awarded Gallagher a six-figure sum in compensation.
This tells us little since the range of six-figure sums is so broad, from 100,000 to 999,999. This vagueness is compounded by not being told the currency: the values of pounds, pesetas, and euros diverge pretty widely. --O'Dea (talk) 15:33, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
- It appears this information comes from The Sun, so I would consider it highly unreliable anyway. Ericje (talk) 04:46, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
- Why is this an issue? It is perfectly routine to refer to matters such as settlements in terms of the number of figures. It's not 10 quid; it is in the 6-figure range.
- A settlement between two Britons as reported by a UK tabloid implies an amount in golden guineas, crowns, shillings and pence rather than Bulgarian stotinki, does it not? Even if the amount were in euros, that would not alter the order of magnitude, and it would be "a six-figure sum" regardless, ¿verdad?
- Varlaam (talk) 15:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
- What is this trivial brief incident doing in the encyclopedia? We've got a whole paragraph here that's just a minor rewrite of a tabloid gossip column. NebY (talk) 18:22, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
I have deleted this sentence from the main article since it is irrelevant there. It refers to "Moonlight Shadow":
- This song has been covered by various other artists, including Aselin Debison (Canadian folk singer) and German duo Groove Coverage (electronic/techno).
Olympics opening ceremony relevance
As I watched the opening ceremony, as Mike appeared as one of the performers, I personally was deeply surprised, astonished even. But as the event further progressed, there was quite a number of musicians performing, and the relevance of him being invited to be part of this once in a lifetime show quickly dwindled in my eyes. Of the whole ceremony, I can only say: More is Less.
But that is all just my personal opinion; the question is: Is the fact that Mike Oldfield performed at the 2012 London Olympic Games opening ceremony relevant to this article?-- = ? 14:34, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Oldfield also composed special music for the royal wedding of Prince Charles to Diana. Shouldn't that warrant a mention? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 16:53, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- This has now been added, although it may be wise to find a better reference. TubularWorld (talk) 17:32, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
This section seems a bit thin. For example, there's next to nothing on the various relocations that have taken place throughout MOs adult life and the reasons for them. --Ef80 (talk) 21:11, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
- Nor on his experimentation with LSD, his prolonged debilitating mental distress (which may have been precipitated by that drug use) and his later participation in the Exegesis programme. Following the success of Tubular Bells he became quite reclusive by all accounts. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:53, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Let's see - is it possible that the death of his mother, coming when it did, caused some difficulties which were exacerbated by the reaction - out of all proportion for a first album - to Tubular Bells when he was only 19? Put yourself in his place, anyone. One doesn't need to be worked over by LSD or other drugs.126.96.36.199 (talk) 19:25, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
- Quite agree. Loss of a parent can be traumatic for anyone. And at any age. But use of LSD is perhaps a less common event. It does now get a brief mention, I see. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:54, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
The "See also" section is a bit unfathomable. If there really are significant links, between Oldfield and these other musicians, they should be mentioned and linked in the body of the article. Otherwise they are a bit of a tame goose chase. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:52, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
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