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Need to update, revise, and rewrite article
There is some good content in the article, but, like so many other articles with multiple contributors, there is overlap/duplication (i.e. same info in different sections) which should be reviewed and edited. The overall article doesn't seem to "flow" well--part of this may be the way the images are put into the article in my browser. Are there editors/contributors who would like to coordinate doing some clean up and editing?
Areas which need work
There are several issues with the page which a small group could fix up pretty easily.
E.g. Politics, culture, and demographics are somewhat scattered between sections, and, like in real life, are a bit messy.
There are gaps in sections which need to be identified, and the content tracked down
An editorial discussion is needed about whether/which of the scattered more focused topics should be in a separate linked article vs. in this article, or both (i.e. have the topic/content in this article, but also link to the other article). For example, there are existing articles which list the neighborhoods and another enumerates the lakes which are both areas which likely would be germane to this article, but which likely would be at a level of detail that would get in the way of reading this article.
- New topics are likely of value, e.g. current events (unfortunately, this includes police shootings, and other unflattering subjects)
- A calendar of regular events would be interesting, both to those who live here, as well as those using Wikipedia to scope out the town (e.g. before a trip, investigating whether or not taking a job here would be unbearable)
- The article could use decent maps (OpenStreeMaps, maps from promotional groups such as [Minneapolis] and the [produced by the city government]) showing the layout of landmarks, demographic data, etc.
- A description of Minneapolis neighborhoods would be helpful, perhaps pulling the content of Neighborhoods of Minneapolis in.
- More on the lakes and Minnehaha creek as natural resources. There is an article which lists the lakes, but it isn't exactly great reading. There is a crude map, which should be replaced showing how they connect and flow into the Mississippi, as well as how the Mississippi interacts with downtown. Much of Minneapolis (almost everything south of 394) lies in the Minnehaha Creek watershed.
- Healthcare is mentioned as a major business, and some of the hospitals are listed, but it would be pretty easy to have a concise summary of the hospitals (two level 1 trauma centers, three childrens hospitals, a major medical/dental/nursing/public health/pharmacy university) and some of the active medical initiatives and research projects of recent note.
- The local restaurant scene is a bit more exciting than just Minnesota cuisine.
- The craft brewing scene is pretty extensive, and probably warrants a mention
- Need more coverage of civic, volunteer, and recreational organizations.
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2019 restaurant opening
Hello, I get the point of why you reverted that, but I did consider that question (future plan), and compared other examples. For instance, on the Minneapolis page it mentions the future home of the soccer team. On film pages or entertainment pages, it often mentions projects that are in the works. I feel like there's a threshold that makes it valid to include, and that threshold has to be with the importance of the future event (in this case related to a public interest good that is a small step towards undoing many years of harm toward Native Americans) and the public announcement/decision-making. I've seen elsewhere on wikipedia many future things stated that were much less substantiated and less important. I know there isn't a guarantee of optimal policy always having been enacted, and so other content isn't always a basis. I would like to see Wikipedia err on the side of inclusion in areas where there is significant under-representation. Thanks for listening! (please let me know any other steps with this talk process, haven't done this before). - ClarityKTMpls — Preceding unsigned comment added by ClarityKTMpls (talk • contribs) 03:30, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- I reverted because this seemed to be a clear violation of WP:CRYSTAL, an item which predicts future events in Wikipedia's voice.
- I am sympathetic with your other reasons for wanting this announcement of a future event to be present; we now need to figure out if there's a legitimate way to do it. When a big sports team announces a future move to a new city, there's usually a big deal in the press about it, so it's easy to say something like "The Lake Wobegon Limpets announced in 2016 that they would be moving to St. Paul to begin the 2018 season." The references would be easy to find if this move was an important aspect of Minnesota sports, thus notable. On the other hand, if there's not much more than a press release about an notable chef planning to open a restaurant more than 12 months from now, it's harder to justify that as a noteworthy event. Somebody else would need to take notice and write about it, including the importance of this restaurant to something more than the local Minneapolis food scene, perhaps tying it to a growing trend of interest in "indigenous foods". How likely do you think it is that we can find an independent source? — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 04:00, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- Neglected to ping ClarityKTMpls, sorry. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 04:10, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- This is a learning experience for me, so please understand I am looking to understand how this works better. I did include one reference from Mpls/St.Paul Magazine. When I look online, I can easily find at least 5 more references that are not simply press releases (Mpls/St. Paul Business Journal, City Pages, St. Paul Pioneer Press, The Journal, StarTribune, etc... But I feel like you would know that already probably (would check before reverting?), so I'm likely missing something. I didn't include all those references to the text when I wrote it because that seemed off pattern. Thanks again for your help on this! user:ClarityKTMpls 3 January 2018 —Preceding undated comment added 13:09, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- @ClarityKTMpls: No, actually I did'nt check other references - it was the form of your addition that violated WP:CRYSTAL regardless of whatever reference supported it. I have now looked at a couple of the Star Tribune articles and, while still having earmarks of press releases and interviews, it does seem that local press has given sufficient coverage to this announcement to consider it noteworthy. You could add a sentence about the announcement of the plans without writing, in Wikipedia's voice, about the future as if this were an event certain to take place. It might also be proper, I think, to add something to the section Cuisine of the Midwestern United States#Minneapolis and Saint Paul and change the See also pointer in this article to point there instead of to the current redirect Cuisine of Minnesota. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 05:34, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Minneapolis is a food desert
- Food deserts are mentioned in Growler magazine, also MPR News about Wirth Co-op, Minnesota Spokesman-Recorder about Breaking Bread Café and Appetite for Change.
- A study funded by Blue Cross Blue Shield written by the Federal Reserve Bank and Wilder Research is geared for the entire state of Minnesota but identifies the Near North and Camden neighborhoods of Minneapolis as food deserts.