Talk:Moms Mabley

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Married, Never Married[edit]

The article claims Mabley was married (Early Years paragraph) - and later states she "never married" (Personal Life). Teeb (talk)

Life story copy vio[edit]

The life story text here is the same as the one here: http://www.mmguide.musicmatch.com/artist/artist.cgi?ARTISTID=352163&TMPL=LONG#bio with no attribution. Which is the original source?

You're right. The text here was a cut and paste from that article. Because that article included a byline, I'm assuming our version is in violation of copyright. I've excised the offending text. Good catch. — BrianSmithson 18:06, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Lesbian?[edit]

Thanks for adding the NYT reference about Mabley's supposed sexuality. But if you read the article, it says "Although Moms herself was a lesbian, according to Ms. [Clarice] Taylor...". I'm afraid that doesn't qualify as a reliable source - gossip from Clarice Taylor (Cosby's mother on The Cosby Show) is not up to snuff. Further, the edit summary when the ref was added says to "See EL", which I suppose means the external links section. But neither IMDB, IBDB, nor Find-a-Grave are considered reliable sources either.

So could someone find a reliable source that states Ms. Mabley's sexuality? Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I provided 2 references and 1 external link. Apart from the fact that Ms. Taylor is also a source, especially when she is quoted in the NYT. Debresser (talk) 13:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

If she was really a lesbian, then why this text comment: "She took her stage name, Jackie Mabley, from an early boyfriend..."?

Maybe she was bisexual but I am loath to categorize or classify her as a lesbian based on posthumous innuendo. Hopefully no one is confusing her with Ma Rainey. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 15:26, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

The tv biopic had pretty substantial documentation that she dated women in her 20s, and dressed in men's clothes. I'm not sure "lesbian" is appropriate. Her roommate said they never called her a lesbian, or gay, or homosexual, and I'm not sure those terms were in use in that community at that time. She slept with women, that's a verifiable fact. Baron ridiculous (talk) 18:28, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

The biopic could be inferred two ways; Moms was either a lesbian or FTM transgender in a time before that had been classified. Given her roommate's description and Moms's choice to dress and act like a man at all times outside of her performances, I would assume transgender to be more likely, though we will never know for sure which.--LurganShmith (talk) 04:17, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Comedienne[edit]

Was she ever called a "comedian" during her lifetime? We didn't call women that back then, because the word "comedian" was always begging to have "low" put in front of it. Women were dignified with the word "comedienne". Varlaam (talk) 07:03, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Discography Update[edit]

I've been collecting records lately and came across Chess Records LPS 1525 Moms Babley Breaks Up The Network. I'm not sure when it was made, but it doesn't show up on the Discography section. I suspect I can find more information, but what should I provide to make sure its acceptable?--Seanbruno (talk) 18:43, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

I updated the Discography section to include her appearance on The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour, Episode #108, October 22, 1967. Moms was considered too controversial for television, but that did not stop the Smothers Brothers. I am not sure if I need to include this reference anywhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Great Trek (talkcontribs) 21:13, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Number 1 records, Records with Pigmeat, Sketchy details here...[edit]

She was a sensation in the late 60s and early 70s on LP records and television. She appeared on Cosby's original comedy series and The Flip Wilson Show, many others besides Ed Sullivan. No mention is made of album sales (perhaps first woman comedian to break the top 10) not counting Nichols and May. Certainly the first black woman to score with comedy LPs. Plus Bill Cosby had her, and early comedy circuit partner, "Pigmeat" on his short lived " Bill Cosby Show ('69-70) in which they played his aunt and uncle. Article needs a lot more research and info. Who was the father(s) of her children? One person said she was a lesbian, in an article 20 years ago, and that makes it a fact? Having 6 children at least suggests she was a bisexual. She performed without her false teeth for effect..... Just because she died very, very long before the advent of the internet, doesn't mean this article should have very little real information... aside from its skimpy cut and paste sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BayBoomer1959 (talkcontribs) 01:58, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Influenced Bing Crosby?[edit]

The very first name listed under people whose careers were influenced by Mabley is Bing Crosby? That doesn't seem intuitive...did Crosby ever say that or is someone having a little joke here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.175.121 (talk) 13:36, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. This appears to be an error. Likely the author meant Bill Cosby. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.189.104.223 (talk) 02:05, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Birth year discrepancy[edit]

In the lead and info box, her birth year is listed as 1894, however the referenced material states her birth year as 1897. Could someone who is knowledgeable enough update her page?

"Although she always claimed a birthdate of 1894 and that she was one of a family of twenty children, the 1900 Federal Census shows "Loretter Aiken" in Brevard was born in March 1897 and was the youngest of four (out of five) surviving children of James P. and Mary Aiken.[1] "

ZouBEini (talk) 11:26, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Triple X-rated[edit]

@Jpgordon: I'd imagine it's akin to a triple X-rated movie. Found various references to it on the web (hey, maybe that's what a browser's "private mode" is for! Looking up references for Wikipedia!), one of which was a Jay Leno interview: "Well, hmmm. … You should be a reasonable expectation of what people see on television. The funniest thing I can think of, the greatest example of that, was Redd Foxx. Now Redd Foxx was the filthiest comedian, I mean, just so dirty. But to most people he was Fred Sanford [of the network sitcom “Sanford and Son”]. I remember when Redd came into Westbury, N.Y., and they had huge signs, “This show is triple-X-rated — XXX — do not bring children or anybody under 40,” you know." Not sure how to get that across in the article. --NeilN talk to me 23:51, 11 September 2014 (UTC)