Talk:Monarch (comics)

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Captain Atom herobox[edit]

Shouldn't the herobox for Captain Atom be the exact same as his normal herobox, only with some small additions for the new armor?--DoctorWorm7 05:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Monarch II[edit]

The Wizard article refers to Nathaniel Adam as Monarch, hence his inclusion in the page. If you have something to contribute, fine, but do not make any sweeping changes to the page unless they have been discussed and agreed upon first. Leave the section headers as they are, they were made that way for a reason. Lesfer thanks for your created by info. --Basique 15:57, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

May I know why reverting my edit? What was wrong with it? —Lesfer (talk/@) 16:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The information in your edit was re-added after reversion. Just curious have you run into User:201.53.36.13 on any other pages? According to their history, he or she appears to be from Brazil like yourself, and has contributed to at least one of the Soccer Club pages. And from their Peacemaker edits, does not seem to like roman numerals. --Basique 16:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This is my IP, I wasn't logged. So what? Anyway, my issue with roman numerals comes from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics, check the archives. No roman numerals in the SHB. By the way, there is no such thing as a "Monarch II". And I still would like to know why my edit was reverted otherwise I'll revert it back. What was wrong with it? —Lesfer (talk/@) 16:59, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As I've got no response, I assume there was nothing wrong with my edit, it was just a matter of arrogance and possessiveness. So I'm restoring it. —Lesfer (talk/@) 14:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DC original intent.[edit]

Maybe I am confused.

Nowhere in the article is DC's original intent mentioned.

Duggy 1138 13:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thats because it's on the Armageddon 2001 page where it's supposed to be. --Basique 14:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This page discusses both the Hank Hall and the Captain Atom Monarch. It is an important part of the story on this page.

Duggy 1138 14:12, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No it was part of the controversy surrounding Armageddon 2001, which is one link away, and it is referenced there, that section was built specifically for that purpose, what I will do is make a see also link to the controversy section there on this page. --Basique 14:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This situation is now resolved, your needs have been addressed, do not attempt to to add that bit of text again. --Basique 14:23, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't answer the question. Did you lie when you said that this was covered in the body?
Yes, the controversy is part of the A2001 story. But it is also part of the Hall/Adams story.
A link is fine, but a approapiately placed descriptive one, eh?

Duggy 1138 14:30, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You and me, we're done talking you will either cease all edits of this page Batman and Conan (Darkhorse Comic Series) and plead your case to the Comics Project here, or I will submit your ID to the Counter-Vandalism Unit. --Basique 14:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Do what you feel you must. But, you know, cut out the lies.
Duggy 1138 14:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As with the Batman debate, I'm reverting once more before bed.
Not as part of a war, but showing my POV.
Duggy 1138

Okay, guys and gals, I've looked at it all, and I'm inclined to agree with Duggy on this one. It is covered in detail at the Armageddon 2001 page, but that doesn't exclude a small overlapping in articles, in fact it is something that we frequently do. Adding the bit written to the introduction puts important info up front while remaining concise. Also, Basique, not to rag on you, but I think it's time you started re-thinking your stance on what actually is considered vandalism. Most edits are in good faith. Adhere to that philosophy.

That doesn't mean you're 'off the hook' though Duggy, it would be best to look over some Wiki policy, most notably WP:3RR, the 3-revert-rule. Kusonaga 16:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I never thought I'd be off the hook. I just felt that I was being attacked for no reason (especially with misleading statements), and so got a little heated. As such I didn't keep track of the number of reverts.
That doesn't get me off. I still did bad, and for that I apologise to all concerned.
Duggy 1138 16:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Relax, it's a figure of speech. Now I've changed the page to hopefully reflect both yours and Basique's side in this. Kusonaga 16:13, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with the current version Kuse. He became a vandal in my eyes only after seeing the Conan page. That issue has also been resolved, and so I consider the matter closed. --Basique 16:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, Kus, I didn't feel your changes were needed (not that I'm saying get rid of them. I was happy with the change I made. But, it was Basique with the problem, not I, and as he seems happy, it seems this is over.
Duggy 1138 00:30, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Monarch's Army...[edit]

Is this the right place for it? It seems a lot of information that is only perpheral to Monarch himself. I'm not sure where the right place would be. Countdown: Arena isn't it. Maybe final countdown...
Any ideas?
Duggy 1138 (talk) 14:24, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article clean up[edit]

Since it seems that the article has been viewed as need a clean up, can we sit down and try to hash out what needs to be done instead of silently removing almost 1/2 of the article?

Where should we start?

- J Greb (talk) 23:08, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That Captain Atom was orignally suppose to be Monarch and the "fan community's" reaction to it, is mentioned out of no where in the Armagedon section, and interviews with real people are mentioned in the Nathaniel Adam section. DCincarnate (talk) 00:02, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hrm... then a rough start would be:
(Proposed PH)
The character of Monarch was introduced as a mystery villain for DC Comics's cross over event in 1991, Armageddon 2001. The focus of the character was that he/she was one of the current heroes who eventually takes over the world. The individual chapters were to give clues as to who would become Monarch.
The revelation was marked by controversy, both on the character selected and the actions of the creative people involved. The arc was designed to have the pay off be that Captain Atom was to become Monarch. Given the length of time needed to get the issues published, there was an opportunity for those at DC dissatisfied with this plot point to leak the twist to the fan press around the time the event launched. It also gave DC the chance to have the ending re-worked to change the hero, Hawk.[citation needed] The fan community took exception to what was viewed as ruining both the story line and three characters.[citation needed]
After the initial story arc, this version of the character appeared in a spin-off mini series, Armageddon: The Alien Agenda, and was later revised in the villain Extant.
In Extreme Justice, the character name and look was used again, but this time moving closer to the original intent of Armageddon 2001. This time the character was Nathaniel Adam and the plot idea was that Captain Atom was only a "copy" of Adam. This version only appeared in two story arcs of Extreme Justice and was referenced in passing in the build up to Countdown.
In a follow up limited series to Infinite Crisis, the character finally came to the original intent of Armageddon 2001 with Captain Atom taking up the name and armor. This version was then used as a key player through out Countdown.
That would then eliminate the 4th paragraph here. And the last one from here could be incorporated, keeping the cite. And this could go either way since it contains both real world and iu context.
- J Greb (talk) 23:20, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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