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Peter Costello was never a member of any ALP group on campus at Monash. He attended some meetings in order to satisfy his curiosity but was never a member.

Political groupings[edit]

It seems the main argument is over political groupings. I have been attempting to clean this up, to the best of my knowledge. I have done this by linking to other articles in relation to student politics in Australia, removing quoted political slogans and links to campaign websites, and adding a historical bent which is what the article should do according to this discussion.

I have attempted to put in details of the known affiliations of people that are involved in the groups.

In response, someone has decided to revert the article to what they call its 'correct' form. I would like to know how trying to clean up the article by proving more specific information, inter-article links, less Weasel Words and unverifiable statements is incorrect? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:03, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I have done some minor edits to yours to reflect the true groupings within universal, I hope you find these acceptable. (talk) 13:25, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

The minor edits referred to are misleading and deceptive, I have removed the reference to a 'Liberal' internal returning officer as the RO in question is not involved in the Liberals on campus (vocally so) and also conducted the ALP Club elections last year. He is more a 'voluntary psephologist' to suggest otherwise is incorrect. I fear that this page is unfairly being used to attack Universal, and that is not consistent with the intent or the spirit of wikipedia. a

In the last 24 hours it looks like members of various political tickets have been attempting to use it to promote their own tickets. In particular, this new group 'Universal' seems intent on using wiki as a promotional tool. Promotion includes putting political slogans, links to campaign websites, and removing detailed political groupings and replacing it with vague statements (such as those above). Following the comments above, I am reverting to the last version that people seemed to agree upon. The comment above is unsigned and misleading as whoever made it has modified the page to a greater extent that they state above. (talk) 00:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Happy with the changes, but have removed the sentence regarding previous members of the Liberal Club as this statement is incorrect, the individual referred to was engaged as a freelancer psephologist and ceased all involvement in Universal following internal elections, which he was engaged to conduct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:15, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

There is no reason (except for hiding the truth) to delete the previous groupings that have made up 'Action' and 'Unite', and how these tickets relate to what exists now. The aim is to inform people to the development of political groups, and the movement of factions on campus between the tickets is very important to this.Petrol pyro (talk) 02:44, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I've cleaned up this section and removed a lot of the canvassing sentences. It still provides info on political groupings without playing politics IMO Australian Matt (talk) 14:53, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

NPOV Dispute[edit]

This happens every year when elections are on. Given that none of the groupings are really verifyable in a long term sense, and are probably not noteworthy perhaps the 'political groups' section should be wiped out and replaced with a more general 'politics' section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

Over the last few days there has been page vandalism, and consistent disputes over the labelling of various political groups involved in the MSA. These appear to relate to the words used to describe the politics of the major tickets involved in the MSA.

It should be pointed out that as this article is not specifically about the MSA today, but involves its history as well, the descriptions of the political groups involved in the union should reflect this.

Hence, there would appear to be, over the last 3-4 years, three main tickets. These are Go, Activate, and another ticket that has had various names, and various groups have been involved in. Of these groups the liberal club on campus would appear to be one of the consistent features. I’m not sure what other groups have also made up this ticket.

As a first issue, the word “moderate” should not really be used to describe any groups if the rubric of “left or right” is the main focus of discussions of political groups on the page. If people want to use terms such as moderate, they should be used in conjunction with “left” or “right”

I would suggest that the word moderate is not included at all – in my mind it is a meaningless term that anyone seeking popular support attempts to appropriate.

This applies to both left and right. Visit for more info on this.

Using words such as “dying” “last stronghold” also would be quite accurate to describe the nature of the MSA & the relationship with the left.

Another issue relates to the way disputes and conflictions within the MSA are described. These have been given humorous names, included slander of individuals involved in them, and stated accusations that where not upheld as facts. A couple of pointers:

  • Any dispute should be described by the name most commonly used to refer to it, not what appears funny
  • Allegations should be stated as such, and the outcome of any hearings or decision should be included (including where any decision or determination was made)
  • Sections on disputes should simply state the facts, and not use the dispute to bolster and argument or particular point of view (hence violating the NPOV policy)
  • Emotive language should be avoided.
Are the political affiliations listed next to the presidents "official" in anyway or are they the factions they caucus with at NUS "outside" of the MSA? Are the "tickets" officially affiliated with political clubs? 10:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Historial Questions[edit]

A few bits of history would be useful - the info is probably in Lots Wife but I don't have that handy

  1. Did Wholefoods become a part of the MSA when the MSA was formed, or did this occur later? Was it perhaps originally under the supervision of C&S?

Ans: No, was never under C&S. Wholefoods transferred to MSA control in 1997, previously it fell under Unicomm, although I have no idea how this arrangement worked in practice.

  1. When did C&S become a division of the MSA? (The original divisions were MAPS, MUISS and MPA)
  2. What year did the MSA take over the Monash Co-op bookshop?

The MSA never took over the Co-op bookshop, it still does not run the bookshop.

  1. The list of Presidents is nearly complete. Janoel Liddy was the first president in 1996 who resigned for personal reasons and was replaced by Mina Guli (sp?). Who was the second president in 1997?
  2. When (and why) did the Monash Student Board (MSB) become the Monash Student Council (MSC)?

Ans: MSB became MSC mainly due to the introduction of an MSA executive that has a role in dealing with matters btw Council mtgs, including authorising funds and dealing with staffing matters. With the change in role came a change in name, to better distinguish the jobs of the old Board and the new Council.

  1. When did MPA officialy secede? 10:03, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to see a bit of info about Peter Costello. He was the General Secretary (equiv to President) of the Monash Association of Students (the predecessor of the MSA) at one period, but I don't know which dates. This was a time when he was dabbling in Labor politics. (Andy.rofl 02:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC))

  1. When did MPA officialy secede?

With the support of the University, the MPA separated from MSA and became an incorporated body on February, 2003 [1] Mpakim (talk) 04:05, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Some recent edits[edit]

Are questionable in so far as they allege political tensions and wrongdoings from and to various facets of this organisation. I refer to the recent addition regarding allegations that a petition of 5% of the student body was submitted to executive which then acted in a way counter to the spirit of the constitution. Sans any hyperlinks to online minutes or other documentation to substantiate such allegations, it is perhaps best left out of the article, which as we can see above has been subject to some misappropriation before, assumedly by interested factions or political interests within or associated with the subject of the article, The MSA. The less heated rhetoric within this article the better.

Name of Organisation[edit]

The official name of the organisation is "Monash Student Association (Clayton) Inc." - not just Monash Student Association. Not including the full name (including the word 'Clayton') may be confusing for readers who may mistakenly believe that the MSA (Clayton) serves across al of Monash's campuses.Aujoz 01:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


Please note that Wikipedia is not a free webhost and canvassing or election statements for this organization (or any organization) should not appear here. Thank you. Stifle (talk) 09:41, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

List of Presidents[edit]

There is a bit of an edit war on about the inclusion of a list of Presidents. If it continues I will protect the page. It should be discussed here. My own view is that these lists should not be included. The place for them is the Student Association's own web pages. Our lists of people should be lists of notable people, i.e people with articles on wikipedia. Few of the Presidents will have articles. This list should be removed. --Bduke (Discussion) 07:32, 27 May 2012 (UTC)


I've removed the notability tag, since it's been there since 2010 and nobody seems to have elaborated on the issue. If anyone thinks that MSA isn't notable, re-add the tag and talk about it here. Orthogonal1 (talk) 09:45, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

No color[edit]

The colour is extremely obnoxious. It is horrible to read. It is even worse for colour blind where green/blue is black. Font tag is obsolete and never to be used. This is not a political party article. Plus, most political articles are also violating guidelines. List of Governors of Texas is wrong, List of Governors of Idaho is the correct way. A person is supposed to be able to read the text, not get a headache from it. Bgwhite (talk) 23:56, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

The colours provide important information concisely. Firstly, the highlighting of Go!, Switch and Left Action enables the reader to more easily find the real factions. Secondly, the highlighting allows the reader to see, at a glance, approximately see how many feeder tickets each faction used.

To answer your arguments:

  1. If you don't like the way that I have displayed the colours, and you prefer that it be displayed in another way, then I invite you to change it to that. But removing the colours entirely because they're not perfect is a ridiculous idea, especially when you can change them yourself.
  2. How is this not a political article?
  3. Which guidelines are you referring to?
Orthogonal1 (talk) 05:14, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Stop reverting. You are in violation of accessibility guidelines WP:COLOR. As the person who added color, it is your responsibility to fix it, not me. You are also doing improper HTML. There is no longer a <font> tag. It stays without colours until you can clean up your act. Depending on colour blindness, red is black or blue is black. Also see Help:Using colours. The colours you have are horrendous to look at. Absolutely horrendous. Do it right or not at all. Bgwhite (talk) 05:25, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
Also, you don't revert while talking and/or in violation of a serious guideline. There is a reason most background colours on Wikipedia are pastel and not black or read. Bgwhite (talk) 05:35, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

I've made the table comply with colour guidelines. Orthogonal1 (talk) 05:46, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

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