Talk:Mongol conquest of the Song dynasty

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Let's talk, indeed! This page looks like it was highjacked by someone in a Beijing propaganda office. (Seriously, was it?) "The Chinese offered the fiercest resistance of among all the Mongols fought...the Mongols required every single advantage they ould gain and "every military artifice known at that time" in order to win..." This article has become the redoubt of someone's very one-sided historical viewpoint and needs some objective TLC to get rid of the exclamation points and the unscholarly opinion-plugging (clearly, tragically, etc. etc.)... — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:05, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

 Done - Boneyard90 (talk) 10:40, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

In the "Surrender of Song China (1268-76)" section you say...

...there was the Mongol advance stopped at the city of Xianyang situated on the Han river controlling access to the Yangtze river, the gateway to Hangzhou (Canton).

Hangzhou is not Canton. Canton is Guangzhou and is 800 miles away in south China no where near the Yangtze. Hangzhou is still Hangzhou. VFF0347 (talk) 21:28, 24 October 2013 (UTC) VFF0347

The Mongols used 2 to 3 million forcibly conscript Central Asian Muslims in their conquest[edit]

The Mongols used 2 to 3 million forcibly conscript Central Asian Muslims in their conquest of China.

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06:17, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Foreign soldiers from other parts of the Mongol Empire in the invasion[edit]

Sayyid Ajjal Shams al-Din Omar



Rajmaan (talk) 05:00, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Defectors to the Mongols[edit]

Guo Kan Zhang Hongfan Shi Tianzhe

Revenge against Pu Shougeng's family for his rebellion and massacre against the Song[edit]


Pu Shougeng (P'u Shou-keng) was either the descendant of an Arab, Persian, or South Asian Muslim trading family, and in charge of maritime trade in Quanzhou after being appointed by the Song. He betrayed the city to the Mongols and massacred several thousand members of the Song Imperial family. However, since the Song Imperial family was so large with tens of thousands of members, many of them still survived. See sources at Talk:House of Zhao

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Revenge against the Pu[edit]

In revenge, during the Ispah Rebellion, Pu Shougeng's descendants and other foreign merchants were massacred, his family's graves and bodies were desecrated, and his lineage was condemned to disgrace during the Ming dynasty.

Rajmaan (talk) 18:47, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

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