Talk:Moscow Kremlin

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Quoting from the article: "The northwestern section of the Kremlin holds the Armoury building." - as I've been to the Kremlin a few months ago, I'm pretty sure the Armoury building is in the southwestern section not the northwestern one. Proof found here - http://www.kreml.ru/en/main/kremlin/ - if you move the mouse cursor around, you'd find the armoury is in fact the most southwestern building in the Kremlin. So should be changed to southwestern?

Same again for the Arsenal, it's in the Northwestern section not the northeastern section. Proof found in the URL I supplied.

I also find quite a lot of stuff are missing from the article such as the Tsar Bell etc. OK for me to fill those gaps? --EnglishDude 17:10, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't know who wrote this stuff. Please be bold and fill the gaps. On the Tsar Bell, check the article on the Motorins. --Ghirla | talk 21:28, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

"Kreml" is a Mongol word[edit]

The word Kreml is a Mongol word meaning fortress, and supporting information can be found below. http://www.athenapub.com/rusarch1.htm (Journal review: Russian Archaeology (Rossiiskaia Arkheologiia))

However, someone named "Ghirlandajo" (Andrey from Yaroslavl) keeps deleting my contribution about the name. No matter you like it or not, the history stays the same. You can not change or alter it. Kreml being a Mongol word does not reduce Russian greatness or history.

It is a historic fact that there are many Mongol/Turkic words in Russian language as a result of Mongol yoke. For example, Russian war cry "Ura" is a Mongol word, adopted by Peter I.

So, please stop deleting my additions. Everyone deserves to know more.


Not only is it a Mongol word, almost every Russian today carries Mongolian genes. The Russians were once a conquered people. 86.136.200.108 (talk) 02:28, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Actually, all Russians are Mongolians and should be properly named as such. You can see from their faces that they are typical Asiatic tribe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.165.173.131 (talk) 22:04, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Wiktionary says "Ultimately from Old East Slavic кремль (kremlĭ)". 70.36.142.114 (talk) 14:43, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

No it is not a Mongol (Chinese) word. It derives from Slavic term "kremlin" or "kre mlin" or "kraj mlin-a" (place of the Mill) and means "by the Mill". It was a fortress built nearby the river. I was never in Moscow so I speculate the city is surrounded by water or river as I understand this word. To the "user" above me; 70.36.142.114, this is a typial racist claim. Secondly Russians are generally of R1a Y haplogroup. No, traces among old Slavs of N haplogroups were found. They are "blond aryans" if you are going into these Wehrmacht SS waters. So Heil Hitler to you.

Journalists?[edit]

a bunch of Kremlin-critical journalists dying of mysterious causes... http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/media_player/play.jhtml?itemId=83444

I only just now heard about this -- how much truth to it? (worthy of inclusion in the article?) 199.214.27.4 16:52, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Skyscrapers[edit]

Will the new skyscrapers being built in Moscow be visible when looking at the kremlin? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.49.197.7 (talk) 03:23, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Kremlin as government analogy[edit]

I am not an expert but it seems that the use of Kremlin to reference the government has different meanings in Soviet and modern Russia. The way I interpret things, in Soviet times Kremlin references all branches of the government while in modern times it references only the presidential branch. Given that distinction there would be two analogies to point out, the Soviet era analogy, Kremlin == Washington (and British equivalent) and the modern era analogy, Kremlin == White House, Downing Street. Can anyone confirm, deny or modify this interpretation? [[fltchr]] (talk) 17:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Tanks and the Foundation[edit]

On the show Life After People on the History Channel, an episode goes into how the Kremlin's foundation has been devastated by constant military parades. Shouldnt this be included in some way, shape, or form?

"the study of Soviet and Russian policies"[edit]

I think this should be changed, but can't really think of the best alternative - probably "politics". Kremlinology is/was more than studying any particular Soviet or Russian government's "policies", it is/was about tracking and studying everything happening in these governments and, indeed, in Soviet times, the CPSU - changes of personnel, who was on the up, who's been demoted (or worse). Anyone offer a better word than "politics"? Maelli (talk) 16:51, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

UNESCO region[edit]

According to http://www.unesco.org/new/en/social-and-human-sciences/unesco-regions/ there is no Europe or Russia region, only Europe and North America, therefore I changed the UNESCO region to the proper one. Sadly it does not have a list of sites as a region, while Europe has. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.191.2.218 (talk) 14:44, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

As noted by Alex Bakharev, we're not restricted to following UNESCO proscriptions as there is far too much information to be carried by a few articles. Please see List of World Heritage Sites in Europe. Even there, Europe has been broken down into further regions for the sake of natural disambiguation. That is why the link stands as it is, although I do wonder whether it shouldn't point to List of World Heritage Sites in Eastern Europe since the current link is to a WP:DAB page. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:14, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Many errors[edit]

The article currently has many errors and omissions with regard to the actual buildings that existed; which were demolished for which particular new buildings (significant errors here); and what is the current situation. No mention of the Presidium currently being demolished. And it requires proper book referencing on these points: some sources contradict each other on large and small points, so whomever attempts a rewrite should be diligent in their research. For example, the Church of the Savior In The Forest is sometimes termed the Savior in the Pine Forest. Engleham (talk) 18:45, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

You're more than welcome to improve the article yourself using reliable sources. Thank you! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:36, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

synecdoche[edit]

Sorry for the confusion.

Why is kremlin not synecdoche?

Isn't it a part representing a whole (Russia)?

Benjamin (talk) 11:07, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Benjaminikuta. Per WP:RS, it is a metonym (see George Lakoff's "Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things"). --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:54, 6 January 2017 (UTC)