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Motto vs. slogan[edit]

hi How to distinguish a motto from a slogan? Andries

I think, in terms of heraldry, mottoes can originate from anything. Like from puns, from sayings, from war-cries, from anything. Heraldic slogans are supposed to, at least, represent a war-cry. Other than that, i think they are exactly the same, and serve the same purpose in heraldry.--Celtus (talk) 08:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


I have serious doubts about the neutrality of this article, how would I go about tagging it? --Damuna 21:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Add {{npov}} to the top, and like it says, explain what you think isn't neutral about it here. Confusing Manifestation 01:52, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and if you were talking about the bit about Knox, I just removed it because it was just vandalism. Confusing Manifestation 01:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

List of mottoes[edit]

Would it be useful to have list of mottoes showing

  1. Motto (say, in Latin)
  2. Translation (English)
  3. Family name

as shown, eg in Burke's and Fairbairn's Book of Crests ... Pharrar 11:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

"big batty bum-bum" is vandalism, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:39, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the slow reply. Yes, good assessment. DBaK (talk) 08:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

This is crazy thanks for all the help Tim! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:09, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

in heraldry[edit]

I was pondering that I might collapse the "Many institutions have mottos" passage in the lede into something like "Any entity with a coat of arms usually has a motto" (hey, I'm still working on the concept!) — then some classes of exceptions hit me. It might be good to add a passage about what sorts of armigerous entities do and don't have a motto.

  • Yes: dynasties; governments and their branches and districts; universities ... what else?
  • No: officers of church and state (as such; they are likely to have a motto in their private capacity) ... what else?

Tamfang (talk) 06:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

motto as a grant[edit]

there is a contradiction in the Scottish heraldry and Motto articles:

Motto: In English and Scottish heraldry mottoes are not granted with armorial bearings, and may be adopted and changed at will.
Scottish heraldry: In Scottish heraldry mottoes are considered a component of the grant of arms and can be altered only by re-matriculating the arms. In English heraldry, while a motto is usually illustrated in the patent of arms, with very rare exceptions, it is not included in the verbal grant of armorial bearings.

Yours ever, Czar Brodie (talk) 12:52, 30 July 2010 (UTC)