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Motto vs. slogan
- I think, in terms of heraldry, mottoes can originate from anything. Like from puns, from sayings, from war-cries, from anything. Heraldic slogans are supposed to, at least, represent a war-cry. Other than that, i think they are exactly the same, and serve the same purpose in heraldry.--Celtus (talk) 08:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
I have serious doubts about the neutrality of this article, how would I go about tagging it? --Damuna 21:31, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, and if you were talking about the bit about Knox, I just removed it because it was just vandalism. Confusing Manifestation 01:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Would it be useful to have list of mottoes showing
- Motto (say, in Latin)
- Translation (English)
- Family name
as shown, eg in Burke's and Fairbairn's Book of Crests ... Pharrar 11:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I was pondering that I might collapse the "Many institutions have mottos" passage in the lede into something like "Any entity with a coat of arms usually has a motto" (hey, I'm still working on the concept!) — then some classes of exceptions hit me. It might be good to add a passage about what sorts of armigerous entities do and don't have a motto.
- Yes: dynasties; governments and their branches and districts; universities ... what else?
- No: officers of church and state (as such; they are likely to have a motto in their private capacity) ... what else?
motto as a grant
- Motto: In English and Scottish heraldry mottoes are not granted with armorial bearings, and may be adopted and changed at will.
- Scottish heraldry: In Scottish heraldry mottoes are considered a component of the grant of arms and can be altered only by re-matriculating the arms. In English heraldry, while a motto is usually illustrated in the patent of arms, with very rare exceptions, it is not included in the verbal grant of armorial bearings.