Talk:Mountain Railways of India

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Mountain Railways of India/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Arsenikk (talk) 21:39, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

  • I find the panorama image in the infobox difficult to see. Would it not be better to put a different, "normal"-sized image there and stick the panorama in somewhere else with full panorama width?
    • You are right. I have put a new normal sized image in the infobox and a panaroma width of the image of Darjeeling railway station below the Darjeeling section.
  • Sir Lawrence who? Need a full name and link.
    • Clariifed. He was Sir John Lawrence, the then Viceroy of India. Added an additional reference also.
  • The last sentence in the first paragraph of history is too long (three lines on my screen).
    • Split into shorter sentences.
  • The "Darjeeling Himalayan Railway" section needs references
    • Yes, added now.
  • To avoid a double parenthesis in conversion templates, use |disp=s to display a slash instead of a parenthesis.
    • Yes, noted and done.
  • Be consistent in what comes first of imperial or metric units.
    • Metric units are given first as is applicable in India. However, in the conversion the imperial units may sometime into exactly tally with figures given in the references.
  • What type of ton? Short, long or metric? If it's metric, use "tonne".
    • Yes. Metric tonne.
  • The sentence "It was then inscribed on the World Heritage List under the following criteria (ii) and (iv) with the assurance apart that from creating a buffer zone under the declared heritage site with a buffer zone, the steam trains would be retained within the site." sounds awkward.
    • Reworded
  • The quote needs a ref.
    • Yes, given
  • Don't stick a comma between a month and year if there is no day in the date. (fixed those I found)
    • Noted
  • Quotes should never be in italics. (fixed)
    • Noted
  • What do you mean by "the distance is – miles"?
    • Could not find the exact distance. Hence sentence corrected.
  • Why is the section header "Kalka-Shimla railway line" and not "Kalka–Shimla Railway"?
    • Agreed. Changed to Kalka-Shimla Railway.
  • If a railway goes between two places, use an endash (see WP:DASH), so you get "Kalka–Shimla Railway".
    • Yes, noted. Done now
  • "bridges which is a 18.29 metres (60.0 ft)" what? length? should probably be in adjective form (singular).
    • Corrected
  • "30 lb" track needs to be "30 lb/yd" (I presume it is yd, since 30 lb/ft is quite a bit for a narrow-gauge railway) and converted to kg/m.
    • Yes, it is 30lb/yard. Corrected
  • Ref 16 is rather on the limit. I definietly has to be properly formatted, and exactly what is the stone saying that the other source does not?
    • Checked. It is an image of plaque which gives information on the history of the Matheran Railway
  • Don't use " to indicate inches (or is it feet), because people from metric countries don't know what it means. Stick to feet (or ft) or inches (or in) and convert.
    • During the British days all units were in imperial units. But now India has switched to metric units. However, some of the Gauge dimensions may still be better expressed in imperial units. However I have changed it also.
  • Why the use of double images? The article has a lot of vertical space, so feel free to use it. It also makes the images unnecessarily small. Galleries are not really permitted (only in a few extreme cases), so the gallery images have to go as thumbnails or be removed.
    • Done, except in the case of Darjeeling section where image of panoramic has been inserted and in Matheran Hill railway section as vertical space is limited.
  • I have issues with all three external links. The first seems to only be a picture which adds little to the article; the second seems to be related to all steam trains in the world, not just these five, and the last doesn't work where I am (in Norway), because I am "in the wrong area". Although I actually have seen parts of the documentary previously, and it is most excellent as a link in itself, external links need to be universally (or at least nearly) accessible.
    • Removed external links and also gallery

Overall a very interesting article about a topic I find most amazing. I did a short copyedit, removed the red links and fixed up a few things. Placing the article on hold until the matters above have been seen to. Arsenikk (talk) 21:39, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

    • Thanks for the review. I was away on official work and returned yesterday evening. I will be able to attend to all the observatons today.--Nvvchar (talk) 07:41, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
I have addressed all issues raised in the above review and made changes as required. My replies are given, issue wise, under your review comments above. I hope it meets your concerns about the article. Please let me know if I need to make any more chnages and additions. Thanks for the review.--Nvvchar (talk) 12:47, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Congratulations with a good article. I saw an (I think) BBC documentary about some of these railways a way back, and they fascinated me. My old man says I have some distant relatives who worked as tea planters (I presume plantation owners) back in the colonial age, so I have always wanted to visit this beautiful part of India one day... Arsenikk (talk) 19:52, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Encyclopaedia of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh[edit]

It has been discovered that this book:

  • Gupta, Om. Encyclopaedia of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Gyan Publishing House, 2006. ISBN 8182053897, 9788182053892.

Contains significant amounts of material plagiarized from Wikipedia articles. (Some other books from the same publisher also have this problem). There is no practical way of determining which material came from Wikipedia, and which came from other sources. Further, widespread plagiarism is an indication of poor scholarship. For those reasons, and according to Wikipedia policy, WP:CIRCULAR, I will deleting all citations to the book. However I will not delete the material that cites it, as there's no indication that the material is inaccurate. For more background, see WP:RSN#Circular references: Gyan Publishing and ISHA Books, or the archive after it goes there.   Will Beback  talk  22:26, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Transporter wagons[edit]

How might the narrow gauge Mountain Railway rolling stock be transferred to the workshops? Tabletop (talk) 00:56, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

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Article has been updated to only include Mountain Railways of India[edit]

The term Mountain Railways of India has a special meaning. It is the name by which 3 mountain line Darjeeling, Shimla and Nilgiri (also Matheran which is in waiting list) have been registered as heritage site by UNESCO.

The term DOES NOT, and i repeat DOES NOT apply to any railway which crosses mountainous areas in India. There are around 20 rail lines in India which cross mountainous areas.

So the Kangra valley railway, Assam railway and Kashmir railway are not part of Mountain Railways of India. Lets see explanation for each of above.

Kangra Valley Railway runs from Pathankot to Joginder Nagar. Few years back when there were demands to convert the line into broad gauge, requests were made to UNESCO for heritage status to this train. But Indian government announced modernisation (conversion to broad gauge) of this railway track due to which heritage status request was cancelled. See first para of Bilaspur–Mandi–Leh railway and the following reference [1]. Same can also be verified by unesco link given in he article.

Assam railway i.e Lumding–Haflong–Badarpur, reuests were made to preserve Mahur–Harangajao section as heritage, which were turned down by railways and conversion to braod gauge has started in 2016. Please see following reference [2]

Kashmir railway was directly built in broad gauge in modern times in 2005. Please see reference [3] For heritage status, the engine should be a steam one and gauge should be narrow gauge.

Also the propsed lines are just proposed , not built.

So these trains are neither part of Mountain Railways of India nor Heritage trains. Hence i am removing their sections from the article. DeadatRail (talk) 14:45, 7 November 2016 (UTC)