Talk:Mr. Lady Records

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Good article Mr. Lady Records has been listed as one of the Social sciences and society good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

Compilation albums[edit]

If anyone has any information on the Mr. Lady compilation albums released in the early 2000s, please let me know. Proto:: 13:10, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

You've probably seen this. Just a quick, first glance. Bubba HoTep 13:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually, more specifically this. Bubba HoTep 13:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll have a look and see what we can add in. Proto:: 10:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
'Tis done. The other one to follow. Bubba hotep 20:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Queercore[edit]

Great work on this page. I've removed references to Queercore since, by all criteria established on that page, The Butchies and Mr. Lady Records aren't queercore but rather, as the Mr Lady Records page asserts, a "lesbian feminist" record label. As written about in the article about the word 'queer', the usage of the word isn't synonymous with 'gay/lesbian' but often, as is the case with queercore, at odds with the 'gay/lesbian' identity. Particularly in light of The Butchies/Mr. Lady stance on the Michigan Women's Music Festival, which helped alienate them further from the queercore community, I think the concensus would be that the label 'queercore' doesn't apply here. Intheshadows 11:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Do you have any links / references for Mr Lady's stance on the MWMF? That would be something worth adding to the article. Proto:: 11:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Here's a link: [1] . There are three pages of material, not all related to The Butchies. There was other material, although most of it was on message boards, which wouldn't really be appropriate for Wikipedia, would it? The names of the Mr. Lady compilation albums are "Women's Music Sampler" and "Calling All Kings and Queens", by the way. Hope this helps.Intheshadows 18:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

That does help, thanks. :) Proto:: 14:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
OK, I have tried to put something in, but feel free to edit it if I've got any points wrong or mmissed anything. Proto:: 15:36, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Given http://www.outsmartmagazine.com/issue/i02-02/grooveout.php, I've added the 'queercore' category back in. Proto:: 11:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

GA review - passed[edit]

When I saw this article, I thought the name sounded familiar and eventually remembered reading an AfD about it. Amazing to think that the stub nominated for deletion on Jan 10 is now a pretty polished article. It reads well and seems to cover the topic thoroughly, making full use of the available sources. In my view the level of detail seems right to make the article interesting without risk of descending into trivia. Breakdown on the assessment criteria:

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is well written.
    a (prose): b (structure): c (MoS): d (jargon):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (inline citations): c (reliable): d (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
  5. It is stable.
  6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
    a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): [[File:|16px|alt=|link=]] c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
  7. Overall:
    a Pass/Fail:


I have removed a bit of extra punctuation around the quotations- full stops are not needed inside and outside. I also fixed a typo on a date. However, these are very minor niggles (really just to prove I actually read the article :-) ). I'd have liked have read more about why the label ultimately went defunct but the sources seem to say little about this- I guess given the industry its not surprising.

I haven't given a pass on "no OR". This is because two artists listed as formerly on Mr. Lady neither have articles nor are sourced (The Haggard and Tami Hart). Similarly, the articles about The Sissies and Electrelane make no mention of Mr. Lady Records. I don't think that's serious enough to fail GA overall but given that the requirement is rather stringently "no elements of OR", I don't feel its quite been met.

All in all, I see this one as a clear pass. WjBscribe 04:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Awesome. I'll dig up references for The Haggard and Tami Hart. The failure of the articles on The Sissies and Electrelane to mention those artists' time on Mr Lady is a shortcoming of those articles, not of this one. Proto:: 15:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Blimey, well done, Proto! A large step from an AfD to a GA. Wiki-progress at its best. Bubba hötep 16:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
There, now all referenced. I even found a book reference! God bless Google Books. Proto  02:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Peer review[edit]

I have expanded the article a little more. I have also submitted it for peer review, please feel free to contribute. Proto  18:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Wheh! I spent some time plunking around here (as you can probably tell by the edit history). Amazing that you guys have brought this from stub to GA -- amazing. I'm bowing down before you all. Michaelas10 has really constructive feedback here. In the article, I rearranged some things and added author(s) names; made a few copyedit corrects (I think mostly punctuation...). Anything ya'll don't like, feel free... Well, it's 2am and that means my English skills are shot--off to bed! ZueJay (talk) 07:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks for your help. Proto  19:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Ooh, I just remembered - I wanted to ask about the sentence regarding Wilson's solo album - it wasn't solo if it was creaed with Melissa York, was it? The sentence confuses me... ZueJay (talk) 19:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
York produced it. She maybe played some of the instruments (complete guess), but it was released as a Kaia Wilson solo album. I don't have a copy to check the liner notes, though. Proto  20:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to keep bugging on this - changed to "produced by" but now the sentence still doesn't read right with regards to whether it was produced after both left Team Dresch or only after Wilson left? ZueJay (talk) 03:55, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
They both left, and following Wilson's EP, they became two out of the four members of The Butchies. I've rewritten the sentence - let me know if it now scans to you. Neil (not Proto ►) 16:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Perfectly clear now - thanks! ZueJay (talk) 16:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Style comment[edit]

Just a small point, but one which was brought up at an FAC review which I was involved in– with regards to quotations in italics: see WP:MOS#Quotations in italics. In a nutshell, it says quotations should only be in italics if the source is in italics. Alternatively, if you want them in italics, you should add [emphasis added] (which looks ugly to be honest!). Otherwise, it says not to use italics for the only reason that it is a quotation. I'm quite happy to make the changes, just let me know which you prefer. I don't know whether your intentions are to move this up a notch to FA, but that's what they'll pick up on. :) Bubba hotep 20:13, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

It's not my article, do whichever you think looks nicest! Proto  20:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, when I said "you", I meant users in general. Gain consensus and all that. :) Bubba hotep 20:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC) But when I said "your [intentions]", I was referring to you. Confused? I was. Bubba hotep 20:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

You think you were confused?! :p Proto  20:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Not any more, I've changed it. And when I say "I", I mean... ah, forget it! :P Bubba hotep 20:53, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

GA Reassessment[edit]

This discussion is transcluded from Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Mr. Lady Records/1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

I will do the GA Reassessment on this article as part of the GA Sweeps project. H1nkles (talk) 00:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I have a few concerns with this article:

  • The lead is choppy and not well-written. It should encompass all the aspects of the article in a cogent summary. As it stands it's three stub paragraphs with little summary. See WP:LEAD for more information.
  • All three images in the article are copy written and require Free Use rationale in order to be used in the article. See WP:FU for more information on this.
  • Refs 2, 3, and 16 are dead links and will need to be repaired.
  • I'm not sure their involvement in the Womyn's festival is all the noteworthy, that said I wouldn't delist the article for inclusion of this information.

There are significant, but easily correctable issues with this article. It does not meet the GA Criteria though and so I will put it on hold for one week pending fixes. H1nkles (talk) 00:18, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

The lead is expanded.
The images already have a fair use rationale (not "free use" - non-free images can never be free use by definition.
I've fixed the dead links now, thanks for checking these.
As regards the Womyn's festival section, the episode garnered MLR significant attention in the media, and resulted in protests against many of its artistes. Probably worthy of inclusion. fish&karate 14:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your work on the article. It looks much improved. Thank you for clarifying the difference between Fair and Free use, it was syntax error that I need to be careful to avoid. I will keep the article at GA. H1nkles (talk) 14:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Breakup[edit]

Does the fact that the label went defunct really belong in the section about the Michigan controversy? The cited source has nothing to do with the controversy, and including it there implicitly states that the ending of the label somehow stemmed from the controversy. hbent (talk) 10:26, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

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