Talk:Mughal Empire

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Urdu or Hindustani (spoke)[edit]

Isn't Hindustani language more appropriate for the spoken language? (2600:1001:B025:7C23:D00B:61FB:AEE9:F9DA (talk) 03:40, 20 January 2017 (UTC))

Hindustani was spoken by locals there was no term called URDU at that time. Panjikar (talk) 18:51, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Why edit has been disabled don't forget this is wiki!![edit]

Hey this article is biased I have listed some points,

  1. Language was Persian(Official) but local people of North India were speaking Hindustani(which after fall of empire divided into Hindi and Urdu).
  2. Religious policy was not tolerant always,best example was Babar and Aurangzeb.Forced conversion and Jaziya did existed this should be mentioned as truth should not hide any point.
  3. Hindi is termed as offspring of Urdu at the same time Urdu is termed as direct derivation of Arabic,persian and turkic.(Truth is before the fall of mughal empire they were just called as Hindustani and not used in any official purpose).

These things are not correct according to history I can edit with perfect citation but can i know why this wiki page has been made to portray unsourced false info?? Panjikar (talk) 18:49, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

You are welcome to suggest changes here along with your citations. If the changes are acceptable according to Wikipedia policies, somebody will implement the changes.
Alternatively, you can edit other unprotected pages until you gain sufficient experience and get auto-confirmed. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:38, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

I would request citation from Panjikar's claims. Its well known the Jaziya tax was prevalent at its peak only under Aurangzeb's rule. I wish to know on what basis has Babur been called as pro-muslim. There are written records that do not cite the fact that the funder of the empire destroyed non-muslim worshipping sites. Please consider listing down evidences and citations before making assertions or citations.Shiv90 (talk) 09:15, 2 July 2017 (UTC)Shiv90 {talk}

Persian-only POV and several loaded statements are poorly referenced[edit]

This arcticle has few major problems:

  • POV: Many statements (several without supporting references) are written like a personal reflection (POV) mainly with persian and islamic slant (only persian and muslim culture influenced indian culture during mughal rule and misrepresentatiosn like urdu is mainly Persian but fact remians theat the base of urdu is khari boli and mutually intelligible with hindi and not with arabic or persian, and urdu had mix of persian and some arabic and turkic to the hindi khari boli base but this is not at all reflected, these are just two exmaples but wjhole article is baiased and needs major clena up), there is little suggest the BALANCED content of bidirectional interaction and development of local culture. For example, the base of Urdu is still local Indian language Khadi boli that originated from Sanskrit, on top of that Kahdi boli base though Hindi has more sanskrit influence and urdu as "COMPARATIVELY ONLY" (to Hindi, but base still largely remains Sanskrit-origin Khari boli).
  • embellished statements like "urdu was DOMINANT and official language of ELITES, heavily persianised with arabic blah blah" with no references, such things need to be removed and replce with simple FACTUAL NEUTRAL statement like "Urdu was Official language. It has Khari boli base with influence of sanskrit, persian, arabic, turkaic" etc.
  • Poorly referenced: many of embellished and biased statements do not even have a reference.A lof of the content in this article is screaming to be reverted. hardly anything stated in the article is substantiated with verifiable reputed balanced references.

I want to see a BALANCED article, not the nationalistic biased leaning of people trying to impose certain slant on the culture. Please help me improve with more references and BALANCED BIDIRECTIONAL CULTURAL EXCHANGE views. You are welcome to discuss it here, please announce any conflict of interest i.e. if you are a muslim or pakistani/persian (trying to fit it to your biases). I am an atheist and I just want to see NEUTRAL and CLEAN FACTUAL article. Thanks. Being.human (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:53, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi. I reverted your urdu edit because details on the urdu language do not belong in this article. Re your comment on my talk page, please read WP:BRD. Thanks. --regentspark (comment) 16:26, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Also, your additions to the opening paragraph are inappropriate per WP:LEADPARAGRAPH. The first paragraph should state only the most important features of the subject. A detailed discussion of cultural aspects is not warranted here. The lead section is too long as it is, and adding this level of detail to the opening paragraph exacerbates the problem. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 16:43, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Being.human I have fixed the language section. If you want to improve the article, the best thing to is to find good sources on Mughal Empire and summarise what they say. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:36, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 2 July 2017[edit]


Since I'm of the humble opinion that the Mughal state requires more sections since the last known indigenous empire of south-east Asia was one of the leading powerhouses in Asia, I therefore request to leave an edit suggestion. There are several new sub-headings that in my opinion need to be added, and I would like to start with adding in 'Political events before the Battle of Panipat' or something like 'India before the Mughal advent'. The Mughal Empire was the contemporary of other great powers during that era; namely Ottomans and Safavids and was an anchor in shaping Indian society and culture. Kindly allow the authority to add new sub-headings that would only make the whole article even more informative and pleasant to read.

Sincerely, Shivendra Shiv90 (talk) 09:33, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) 01:18, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
You can create sample sections in your sandbox, and invite comments from other editors. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:57, 5 July 2017 (UTC)