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Regarding an Unsourced demographic edit[edit]

An User name @Ftimasheikh450 have been continuously editing the page without giving adequate references to the changes that she have been made recently multiple times. She has been continuously editing without providing any credible source/reference. Please look after that with immediate effect.

Thank you With regards – Pitush Puttar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pitush Puttar (talk • contribs) 19:08, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Claims about India[edit]

According to the article: India is the country with the largest Muslim population outside Muslim-majority countries. The source cited for this is:

  • "India invited as 'Guest of Honour' to OIC meet, Sushma Swaraj to attend". @businessline. 23 February 2019. Archived from the original on 16 March 2020. Retrieved 14 February 2020.

This 2019 article says that there were "185 million Muslims in India". But it does not compare the Muslim population of India with other countries, and so does not support the statement it is cited for.

@JazzyBsolarjatt: has added another statement: & it is also the country with the most Muslims in the world. The sources cited for this are:

  1. "Islamophobia turning 250 million Indian Muslims into 'persecuted minority'–social critic".. This 2022 article says that India has 250 million Indian Muslims. But it does not compare the Muslim population of India with other countries, and so does not support the statement it is cited for.
  2. "Chorus for 'hum do humare do' grows in MP, but over 80 MLAs have more than 3 kids". This 2021 article says that "Now, the country’s population is over 130 crores and the Muslim population stands at around 25 crores. So there are more than 100 crore non-Muslims in the country". But it does not compare the Muslim population of India with other countries, and so does not support the statement it is cited for.
  3. "Fudging the population: The missing 90 million Indian Muslims". 26 October 2017. This says that in the 2011 census, India had 172.2 million Muslims. It also says that if the Muslim population of India had grown as much as the population of India, there would have been 262 million Muslims in India, and suggests that "there are at least 90 million Indian Muslims who have not been registered by the Indian authorities." The article does not say that India is the country with the most Muslims in the world.
  4. "Mehbooba: BJP wants to destroy country's secularism, says Mehbooba | India News - Times of India". The Times of India. This says that "The country has 20 to 25 crore Muslims along with Christians and other minorities". This 2022 article does not say that India is the country with the most Muslims in the world.
  5. "An Enemy of Muslims (And Hindus)". 4 February 2022. This article says that India has 25 crore Muslims. The article does not say that India is the country with the most Muslims in the world.

In short none of this is supported by the citations cited for them.-- Toddy1 (talk) 22:19, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2022[edit]

39.40.63.119 (talk) 20:47, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 23:07, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

“Musulman”[edit]

This page redirects from “musulman”. Surely it should be in the lead paragraph, as “Muslims, also known as musulmans”… would this not be more useful? “Musulman” is at least as common as “Muslim”, in common usage. LeetToTheBeatMakeItRoar (talk) 13:37, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"At least as common"? Um, what? I'm not sure I've encountered the term Musulman in English-- certainly not in anything modern-ish. PepperBeast (talk) 13:51, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Musulman is not a term seriously used in any contemporary literature. It is an archaic term of the 16th-19th centuries. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:38, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree... I think I've seen it at least once or twice in 18th century stuff, but it's certainly not in common usage this century. PepperBeast (talk) 15:32, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Although it's possible that some confusion may arise due to Romance language still using “musulman” analogues. Iskandar323 (talk) 15:53, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please correct error[edit]

Please correct your article about Muslim. I error in the article I mentioned below:- Muslim must give "Shahada" that Muhammad is last prophet of Allah, and "Ahmadiyya" sect is banished from Islam, because they don't give "Shahada" that Muhammad is last prophet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.111.149.149 (talk) 05:18, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Mulsim" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

The redirect Mulsim has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 March 7 § Mulsim until a consensus is reached. Mast303 (talk) 00:15, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Islams" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

The redirect Islams has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 2 § Islams until a consensus is reached. An anonymous username, not my real name 20:55, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2 billion Muslims[edit]

change 1.9 billion Iamsmfs1 (talk) 03:50, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Muslim Population[edit]

Can you provide a source that the number of Muslims has exceeded 2 billion people? AlhyarJy (talk) 01:08, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As of 2020, it has 1.9 billion adherents, or 24.9% of the global population. According to data from the Pew Research Center, the global Muslim population was estimated to be around 1.8 billion in 2015, and it's projected to reach 2.2 billion by 2030. Some sources indicating that the number reached 2 billion but not reliables, unless someone shares reliable sources * ab. Sarah SchneiderCH (talk) 03:59, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2023[edit]

Please remove flags from infoboxes per MOS:INFOBOXFLAG. 112.204.197.139 (talk) 00:20, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. This is a relatively long standing status quo that matches other articles like Christians, so I'd ask that a consensus is developed before that change is made. I'll note that MOS:INFOBOXFLAG specifies that in "human geographic articles" consensus will dictate the use of flags. Bestagon ⬡ 19:48, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is IMO a pretty straightforward ask. "Human geographic articles" are pretty clearly spelled out as spatial divisions of residence - i.e. the examples of "settlements and administrative subdivisions" - and lists of countries where religiously affiliated individuals do not fit these examples. The MOS section begins by plainly stating, "Generally, flag icons should not be used in infoboxes, even when there is a 'country', 'nationality' or equivalent field". But since there's objection, I won't implement. --Pinchme123 (talk) 21:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Brought here by discussion at Talk:Christians. I tend to agree with both Pinchme123 and the IP: INFOBOXFLAG seems to identify articles like these as examples where flags are inadvisable (as opposed to articles on spatial bodies like diocese or ecclesiastical provinces, where flags seem permissible). ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:27, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've also noticed, in the "long standing status quo" linked above, the edit summary points to Jews as an example. Which is an extended confirmed protected page where lots of discussion happens, yet the flags were removed months ago without even being noted, much less objected to. --Pinchme123 (talk) 21:31, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Seeing that example and the general support for removal here, I think we have a minor consensus towards invoking INFOBOXFLAG to remove the flags. I will do so at Christians with reference to this discussion. If additional opposition to such a move arises, we can defer to the status quo of including them and rehash it. ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:39, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Given our discussion, I've removed them here. --Pinchme123 (talk) 21:50, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2023[edit]

Remove Hindustani from info box language section instead add Urdu as it is the national language of Pakistan. Ethnologue ranks Urdu as the tenth most spoken language in the world. Hindustani is not mentioned in that list. In India, Urdu is the first language of about 50% of muslims and second language of many more. In Bangladesh it is spoken in Old Dhaka. Also spoken in Terai region in Nepal. Hindustani is now mostly spoken in bollywood films that too is ending as resurgence of Hindi. 223.123.110.74 (talk) 07:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 09:50, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Paper9oll: I started a discussion below but seems like no one wants to discuss the issue. 223.123.112.73 (talk) 05:51, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion on addition of Urdu in the language section of info box[edit]

I like to remove Hindustani from info box language section instead add Urdu as it is the national language of Pakistan. Ethnologue ranks Urdu as the tenth most spoken language in the world. Hindustani is not mentioned in that list. In India, Urdu is the first language of about 50% of muslims and second language of many more. In Bangladesh it is spoken in Old Dhaka. Also spoken in Terai region in Nepal. Hindustani is now mostly spoken in bollywood films that too is ending as resurgence of Hindi. 223.123.110.74 (talk) 10:54, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like no one wants to discuss. 223.123.112.129 (talk) 07:50, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2023[edit]

Remove Hindustani from info box language section instead add Urdu as it is the national language of Pakistan. Ethnologue ranks Urdu as the tenth most spoken language in the world. Hindustani is not mentioned in that list. In India, Urdu is the first language of about 50% of muslims and second language of many more. In Bangladesh it is spoken in Old Dhaka. Also spoken in Terai region in Nepal. Hindustani is now mostly spoken in bollywood films that too is ending as resurgence of Hindi. 223.123.112.129 (talk) 07:54, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. You've been told this before, and simply need to be patient. Please stop using the edit-request feature in this manner. You should also provide a reliable source that says what you really want to say: that more Muslims speak Urdu than Hindi, though that's not really information suitable for the infobox. Xan747 (talk) 00:45, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Never said anything about Hindi. I only mentioned Hindustani. 223.123.109.240 (talk) 03:09, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Languages in infobox[edit]

This infobox element is of pretty dubious WP:WEIGHT. There is a paucity of reliable sources focusing on this to a significant degree. One source is just about global populations, another analyses languages among Muslims, but at a community level, and another is just about Arabic dialects. More generally, this is a rather unusual and unnatural way to bisect a religion's adherents. It is also relatively duplicative of the already tiresome list of different populations by country, since language use obviously closely reflects the national origins of adherents. In addition, there is no information about languages on the page, making the inclusion of this material in the infobox, which is supposed to be a summary of material on the page, an overreach per MOS:INFOBOX. So doubly flawed. If it were to be binned, it would be no loss to readers. Does anyone disagree? Iskandar323 (talk) 08:55, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree (While we're at it, the section above that, listing the Sunni, Shi'a etc shouldn't be called "religions", but something like "denominations" or "branches"). Furius (talk) 14:47, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not an unreasonable proposal to me... This particular infobox doesn't seem to say much besides some potentially inaccurate statistics better fit for the body of the article. On a (marginally) related note, the first paragraph in "Demographics" might be better presented as a list. Albertatiran (talk) 20:19, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The alternative is that all of these infoboxes are just jokes. Hindus has the additional irony of using the subhead "Predominant spoken languages" before rattling off about fifty examples, somewhat exemplifying the Pandora's Box nature of this kind of infobox addition. POV turns "predominant" into everything. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:37, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Correctness of the shahada transcription[edit]

Hello, I just noticed an issue with the shahada transcription (see here: diff), I am certain that my edit was correct as I checked many other websites and also other Wikipedia and Wiktionary pages to be sure. Other than that, I am not an expert in Latin transcribing Arabic, so I would be happy if anybody can check that transcription for any other errors that may be present. Thanks.

As a Muslim myself, I do not say "illallahu", but "illallah", there is no "u" in the page Shahada either. So I need assistance here, because I do not want to make edits that I am not 1000% certain about. Guherto (talk) 22:10, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reliability of Morocco World News and The Munsif Daily[edit]

As of 2020, it has 1.9 billion adherents, or 24.9% of the global population. According to data from the Pew Research Center, the global Muslim population was estimated to be around 1.8 billion in 2015, and it's projected to reach 2.2 billion by 2030. Some sources indicating that the number reached 2 billion but not reliables, unless someone shares reliable sources. Morocco World News The Munsif Daily, based their data and claims on "the Global Muslim Population website".

Global Muslim population website, is the website that these sources based their claims on it, and this website is not a reliable source.Durziil89 (talk) 05:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox image[edit]

Recently, I changed the image in the infobox for this article, which was later reverted by @StasiaNote. I did this because the image shown in the infobox is the following painting:

Prayer in Cairo by Jean-Léon Gérôme, 1865

The reason I decided to remove this painting as the depiction for Muslims is primarily because of the artist himself, Jean-Léon Gérôme. Gérôme is infamously known for his participation in Orientalism, even the lead image on that article shows a painting by Gérôme. His article also discusses his Orientalist legacy. By using this image (and only this depiction of Muslims is used in the entire article), Wikipedia risks associating itself with Orientalism, which would violate NPOV.

I certainly recommend replacing the Gérôme painting with a less controversial image. When I removed the painting, I replaced it with the following photograph. I thought it would be the most helpful as:

  1. Every person depicted in the image is certainly a Muslim.
  2. The location is an area important to the religion of Islam.
  3. A diverse group of people are represented in the photo.
  4. The people are participating an Islamic ritual.
A crowd of Muslim pilgrims at the Kaaba, Mecca, 2016

If, for whatever reason, this image is also controversial, then I suggest the usage of one of the images in the below gallery.

  • Muslim men praying in Indonesia
    Muslim men praying in Indonesia
  • Muslim women in Iran during Qadr night.
    Muslim women in Iran during Qadr night.
  • Muslim prayer in Damascus
    Muslim prayer in Damascus
  • Eid al-fitr prayer in Zahedan
    Eid al-fitr prayer in Zahedan
  • Jiangwan Mosque, Yangpu District, Shanghai, China
    Jiangwan Mosque, Yangpu District, Shanghai, China

―Howard • 🌽33 19:14, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unlisted populations[edit]

Why are none of the other countries listed like khazakistan etc? You can even see the percentages for the country itself on its wiki... 173.80.7.142 (talk) 01:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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