Talk:Mysorean invasion of Malabar

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Tipu's army reached North Travancore? (Muvattupuzha)[edit]

Till this day, the locals in Muvattupuzha which is east of Aluva, have stories from their elders about Tipu's army raiding their place. Tipu's army unlike described to be from the northern front reaching Aluva, In Muvattupuzha, the story goes like army reached this place through Kottappuram(A fort some 5 kms from Muvattupuzha which separated Vadakkumkoor and Thrikkariyoor). The temples like Puzhakkarakkavu have their idols and gold items hidden in some kind of artifical installation(cave) deep on the Muvattupuzha river which is passing through the town.

There can be ways Tipu's army can reach this place, crossing the Malayattoor forest to reach Periyar river at present day Bhoothathan Kettu and crossed through kalloorkkad a village some 12 kms from Muvattupuzha. May be this story can be a myth. However, it cannot be simply be dismissed, since many people are sharing the same stiry.

What we need in order to include this would be written histories, preferably more than one Elinruby (talk) 11:21, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Why biased?[edit]

This aricle seemed to anti-Muslim and pro-Hindu. Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.118.71.116 (talk) 05:19, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, please tell us why it's biased? What is the article failing to mention? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.0.90.106 (talk) 10:33, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing William Logan[edit]

While William Logan's Malabar Manual is given as citation in many parts of this article, there is no page number of the book given. Thus making cross reference impossible. I hope those who used Malabar Manual as citation would be kind enough to put up enough details so as to make cross reference possible. Otherwise there is no point in having a citation. Akhil Bharathan (talk) 18:26, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed Elinruby (talk) 11:24, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable Sources & Writing Style[edit]

Some of the sources used throughout the article appears to be written in a non-neutral way. There was already a question on the bias and the writing style in a comment above. I wish to point out some sources like :

The very tone of that source page (or a chapter of an unpublished book) looks to incite hatred among two communities. One citation says page 507 - while the link doesn't even have anything like page 507 or 508 or 468.

The only result for "Tipu Sultan: As known in Kerala" is this link http://voiceofdharma.org/books/tipu/ch04.htm. There appears to be many factual errors and made-up statements in that source page. As an example Fra Bartolomaco [sic] was an Italian painter who lived between 15th and 16th centuries. How is he supposed to document about Tipu Sultan of 18th century ? This article requires a thorough rewrite from someone who is an expert on the subject. And also a cleanup of the sources/citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.243.232.194 (talk) 22:11, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, noted. Also tagged page to resolve this.
Abbasquadir (talk) 05:11, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What a clowish heading.[edit]

Sultan Tipu did not attack Kerala.

He marched into Malabar and later tried to attack Travancore.

Nonsense[edit]

QUOTE: By the 18th century, all the petty kingdoms of Kerala had been absorbed or subordinated by three big states of Travancore, Calicut (ruled by Zamorins) and Cochin. END OF QUOTE.

Calicut did not subordinate anyone kingdoms in North Malabar, and even in the case of Palghat, it was doubtful.


I do agree. By all accounts, Cochin was not militarily very powerful.

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Citations and cleanup[edit]

A few parts seems quite fragmented. Tipu's breach of the Nedumkotta is mentioned in two places with some other information in between.

Since, as another wikipedian has pointed out, certain online literature with rather parochial names might not exactly be unbiased, I'll collate all information I have from books by authentic historians and edit the article. As far as I have read on the matter, the version in that online literature is not very far from the writings of these historians.

Mysore invasion .....[edit]

Should title be Mysore invasion.... or Mysorean invasion....?Manabimasu (talk) 02:47, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First-pass edit[edit]

A couple of thoughts:

  • Generally, a word is wikilinked only once per article. An article this long with this many historical place names and this much specialized vocabulary might be an exception for reasons of readability, but some kingdom names were linked many many many times, definitely too many.
  • Similarly, somebody apparently vehemently disagrees with the portrayal of Tippu — and it does contain a lot of repetition — but tagging every sentence as needing a reference is also excessive
  • Somebody asked if a given book was a reliable source (but apparently wasn’t bothered by Hindus being called pagans). As a point of information, books are usually considered reliable for the opinions of their authors, but on topics this contentious, partisan historical texts should ONLY be quoted for the opinions of their authors.

I will do another pass but am really not qualified to assess WP:DUE weight on this topic, but it does seem as though a lot of ink is spent on atrocities under Tippu. Also, as an interested reader who is completely ignorant on this topic, I also perhaps have fresh eyes. The article is titled “invasion” but covers multiple invasions, in wildly different levels of detail. Consider breaking this up into several articles, as the length also seems excessive. Elinruby (talk) 11:19, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tippu Sultan[edit]

Removed the following text:

Roderick Mackenzie[who?] commented on the actions of the army:

Their pagodas, breached with sacrilegious cannon, were forcibly entered, their altars defiled, their valuables seized, their dwellings reduced to ashes, and the devastation was rendered still more horrible by the scattered remains of men, women and children, mangled beneath a murderous sword.[1]

Roderick Mackenzie was a painter who lived a hundred years later and is apparently quoted in the above text (?) so it’s a *secondhand* really bad source. The more I look into it the more I agree that Tipu is portrayed here via an overheated Victorian imagination. See the following analysis, which does appear to be RS: https://frontline.thehindu.com/the-nation/tipufact-amp-fiction/article23595260.ece Elinruby (talk) 07:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reference[edit]

  1. ^ Sil, Narasingha (2013-04-02). "Tipu Sultan in History". SAGE Open. 3 (2). SAGE Publications: 215824401348283. doi:10.1177/2158244013482836. ISSN 2158-2440.
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