Talk:Nancy Lonsdorf

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Notability[edit]

Please do not delete. This person is a notable, published American author who has appeared on national TV and been cited in numerous news articles. If you give me a few hours I'll add reliable sources to substantiate the notability. Thanks,-- — Kbob • Talk • 22:45, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:PEOPLE for the basic notability criteria.   Will Beback  talk  23:19, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

MA vs. MVAH[edit]

I have not seen any refs that say the subject is an expert in MVAH. Most say Ayurveda and there may be one or two that say Maha Ayurveda but MVAH is never mentioned to my knowledge. I'm going to change it back to MA. If someone can finds refs that support the MVAH claim we can add it back in but I don't think we should take out Ayurveda or Maha Ayurveda.-- — Kbob • Talk • 15:44, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine. Just wanted to be consistent with the name of the Wiki article that the text is linked too. --BwB (talk) 16:45, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If I understand correctly, the MVAH includes several technologies in addition to MA, such as MVVT. If so, it's easy to see how someone could be expert in MA without being expert in MVAH.   Will Beback  talk  20:45, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes BWB, I understand your thinking on that edit. But I think MA is more accurate to the sources and as Will points out MVAH covers a wider range of modalities than just MA. Thanks to you both for your input.-- — Kbob • Talk • 14:01, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved

Good article[edit]

Very nice article. I agree that she is notable. Your References section uses incorrect formatting. It should use <ref>(start of description)[(URL) (underlined part of description of reference)](end of description).</ref>. David Spector 20:06, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Internist or psychiatrist?[edit]

The article says she did her residency in psychiatry, yet some sources describe her as an internist. Those are quite different.   Will Beback  talk  21:02, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, very different. In one of her books it says she did postgraduate research in pyschiatry and neurophysiology at Stanford School of Medicine. [1]-- — Kbob • Talk • 21:28, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So she's been called an internist in a few newspaper articles, but all the other evidence seems to say she's a psychiatrist. Is that correct?   Will Beback  talk  21:58, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If so, perhaps the best way to finesse it is to simply call her a medical doctor in the lead, and leave the discussion her qualifications to the text.   Will Beback  talk  22:02, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good. -- — Kbob • Talk • 17:53, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done. I've also added a cite request for Ayurvedacharyas. Apparently that is a qualification which requires a degree in the field, but there's no mention of any such degree in the article.   Will Beback  talk  22:28, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Personal Info[edit]

After my edits today this sentence reads:

  • She and her husband decided to maintain their Washington D.C. office but put their house up for sale so they could avoid the stress and crime of the city and move to "the country".

The source [cite news|title=Maharishi's followers can't transcend stress and violence of D.C.|first=Jim|last=Naughton|work=Austin American Statesman|location=Austin, Tex.|date=December 17, 1991|page=A.1] says:

  • Nancy Lonsdorf and her husband, David, who run the Maharishi Ayur-Veda clinic in the city, have placed their house in Silver Spring, Md., on the market but have no plans to close their business. "Our thinking is, `Let's continue to do everything we can for Washington, but let's have our own nervous systems saved,' " David Lonsdorf said. "We feel we will feel a lot fresher if we are living in the country and sleeping in the country."

Have I summarized the information correctly? To see the context of the quote, the entire news article (available only to subscribers) reads as follows:

  • WASHINGTON - Residents of Washington, D.C., Maharishi Mahesh Yogi would like a word with you: Flee! Spurned by federal officials and the District of Columbia government, the Indian monk has abandoned his decade-long effort to lower the city's crime rate and, not incidentally, promote world peace through collective meditation. Now he has a recommendation for anyone who moved to the Washington area to participate in that experiment. "I would not advise anyone to stay in the pool of mud," the founder of the Transcendental Meditation movement said from his European headquarters in Vlodrop, the Netherlands. "Save yourself from the criminal atmosphere. . . . At least be there only during office hours." After the failure of the TM movement's latest campaign to enlist government support for a collective meditation program, the movement closed its Washington office in August and moved its staff to Fairfield, Iowa, site of Maharishi International University. Within several months, movement leaders were advising those who could to move out of the Washington area. "People were just given to understand it is like living near Chernobyl," said Robert Oates, director of public affairs at Maharishi University. "All the stress of the world's collective consciousness impinges on D.C. Plus the incredible rate of violence. You're not talking about the ideal spot." Those who could not leave the area were advised to leave the city if at all possible. "It was suggested that there be some green between you and the city," said Chris Jones, former dean of the College of Natural Law, a branch of the university that operated near the Washington Convention Center from 1981-87. That suggestion, local meditators say, prompted 20 to 40 of the most committed meditators to put their houses on the market. "My house is for sale, and I am moving out of the city as soon as I can," said Robert LoPinto, an investment banker and president of the Greater Washington Association of Professionals Practicing the Transcendental Meditation Program. "I live in the city. My family lives in the city, and the city is on fire." Nancy Lonsdorf and her husband, David, who run the Maharishi Ayur-Veda clinic in the city, have placed their house in Silver Spring, Md., on the market but have no plans to close their business. "Our thinking is, `Let's continue to do everything we can for Washington, but let's have our own nervous systems saved,' " David Lonsdorf said. "We feel we will feel a lot fresher if we are living in the country and sleeping in the country." (Italics added by me) To the uninitiated, it may seem that the TM movement has simply adopted the sentiment that launched 1,000 subdivisions. But members of the nation's second-largest TM community behind Fairfield see the movement's departure as a frustrating end to an idealistic experiment. Transcendental meditators, who achieve a state of deep relaxation by concentrating on a particular word, or mantra, began converging on Washington in the early 1980s in an effort to create the "Maharishi effect." According to its proponents, the effect is created when a critical mass of meditators perform their "programs" in one place. The deep relaxation they achieve is then transmitted, the Maharishi teaches, through a "field of consciousness," much like radio waves. The movement's high point in Washington came in the mid-1980s, when more than 400 sidhas, or advanced meditators, lived in the area. By late 1986, however, the College of Natural Law had become a financial burden. The closing of the college began the movement's slow decline in Washington. Last spring, as the United States moved toward war against Iraq, TM's national leaders mounted one final attempt to win government financing for a large group of meditators whose efforts, they believed, would remove the risk of war. When that proposal, which one meditator said would have cost roughly $20 million, failed to gather support, movement leaders closed their headquarters and went to Iowa. "The government should follow us to Iowa," Oates said. "We'd encourage them to be as close as possible to our domes here.

Comments?-- — Keithbob • Talk • 02:46, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

User DGG has removed the personal info section including the text discussed above and I agree with this edit. The text bordered on trivia and was not suitable for inclusion. -- — Keithbob • Talk • 21:32, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]


TV Appearances[edit]

I do not think that the sources cited for Lonsdorf's media appearances in this sentence (Lonsdorf has also appeared on National Public Radio, Voice of America, TV-MD (PBS), the Geraldo Rivera show, CNN and The Donahue Show.) are reliable: They are referenced to this website [[2]] and also this [[3]]. Unless you feel these sources are reliable I would suggest that they be replaced by something more official or that the entry be removed. --Luke Warmwater101 (talk) 20:33, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I'd think the first source is fine. It simply describes Lonsdorf's career, and per Wikipedia we can use sources that self define. It might be a good idea to take this to a NB suggesting that you think this could be deleted but would like community input.I'm not attached either way(olive (talk) 14:38, 18 May 2012 (UTC))[reply]
Thanks, I might take to a NB just to get a bit clearer. I do agree that the first source is better than the second one, most of my misgivings are about the second source.--Luke Warmwater101 (talk) 14:50, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Question posted on WP:RSN [4]--Luke Warmwater101 (talk) 04:14, 20 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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