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Untitled[edit]

This article lacks any info on the various controversial aspects of the NCAA, especially with regard to rules applied to college athletes. As it stands it mentions they are controversial with little details as to why. --Cab88 11:32, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Championship Trophies[edit]

Hi, I'm the one who added the info regarding the NCAA's championship trophies. I noticed in this year's NCAA tournament the teams that won trips to the Final Four received bronze plated "Regional Championship" trophies. Is this (2007) the first year they started doing that or did they start that earlier?76.177.174.82 19:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Money and NCAA[edit]

Where does the money from advertisements go? It can't be all salary and overhead.

The Student-Athlete Opportunity Fund was created in 2003-04 from the CBS contract with the NCAA. This fund was created strictly for student athlete benefit. The money allocated to each school depended on size and the amount of scholarships created. Each conference was in charge of decided how the money was spent. For more information go to: http://www.ncaa.org/releases/divi/2003042401d1.htm

Division I Conference[edit]

The problem with the conferences on this page is that those conferences shown are in Division I, or Division 1. There are totally different conferences in Division II and III.

The conferences are listed as Division I conferences. I don't see where the problem is. Masonpatriot 03:37, 4

School name changes[edit]

A couple of the conference pages have experienced difficulty lately dealing with school name changes. For instance, edit skirmishes have happened on the Horizon League page about University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, which is rebranding its athletic program as "Milwaukee", and on the Mid-Continent Conference page about Missouri State University, which used to be Southwest Missouri State. Now once a school changes its name, it should be referred to by the new name of course. But what about historically? The entire time Missouri State was in the Mid-Con, it was SW Missouri State, should it be noted as such in the champions table, or should its name be changed to the new name retroactively in all instances? I can live with either, I just want the back-and-forth to end. Craig R. Nielsen 08:52, 30 May

College team name changes[edit]

Opinions have been expressed recently that the NCAA is being somewhat vexatious in its apparent crusade to eliminate any reference to any of the Politically Correct Mob's poster causes (Native Americans, to name one example) in college mascots or sporting names, no matter how trivial or obviously inoffensive. Example: the College of William and Mary has been forced to remove feathers from its sporting logo, and just barely got to keep the nickname "Tribe" (they were "The Indians" in the 1980s, but this was changed for PC reasons). Does anyone have up to date info on this ridiculous trend, and does it warrant mention on their page?--EDH 13:10, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Probation[edit]

We should include information on exactly which sport/s is/are under probation for each Univ. listed. It's not terribly helpful to just know some team that the university sponsors in some sport is under probation.--Velvet elvis81 21:13, 25 December 2006 (UTC)


This information is out of date in the section that talks about the NCAA having the power to declare players ineligible. It should read as follows The NCAA also has the power to declare players ineligible. In extreme cases, a player can be banned from competing for any NCAA member school. The only known instance's where this has happened was in 1989 and in 2011 to the University of Kentucky basketball program. Eric Manuel was banned after the NCAA ruled he had cheated on a college entrance exam. Enes Kanter was banned from NCAA and declared a pro player for receiving money in excess of his expenses. His ruling is controversial since other players have previously been given the opportunity to pay back money and play after sitting out a number of games. It should be noted that Kanter was originally committed to the University of Washinton where the head of the NCAA Mark Emmert was President at the time.Kfckernel (talk) 01:11, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

University of South Carolina is also currently in probation until 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.56.186.235 (talk) 16:15, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

BCS[edit]

The paragraph on the I-A football championship is pretty heavily slanted to an anti-BCS standpoint, in everything from "scare quotes" to (inaccurate) adjectives like "self-proclaimed" to declaring that because it's not an NCAA championship it's therefore unofficial. I'm going to rewrite it for a more even POV. If anyone feels like finding them, some citations for both viewpoints would be a good thing. Binabik80 02:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC) Test — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kfckernel (talkcontribs) 01:00, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

N-C-two-A?[edit]

I've never heard it called this before. Where is this done? Just curious. Zchris87v 04:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I heard "N-C-2-A" like a month ago. It's used rarely though. --Howard the Duck 12:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Font[edit]

Does anyone notice a similarity between the font in the current NCAA logo and the font for the longtime CBS Sports logo? WAVY 10 21:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Founded?[edit]

Does anyone know when the NCAA came into existance or have a timeline for how it came to be? The earliest date I see is for the 1st Pres. Jrssr5 16:57, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

There's no mention of when the NCAA was founded, or how it's grown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dancon7 (talkcontribs) 13:01, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Reverts[edit]

I removed a link to a "self-serving" website. This person may have legitimate grievances with the NCAA, but this is not the place for non-NPOV. Specific criticism with the NCAA could be added if supported by sources, not original work, and are widely held. --AlanK 21:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

While I haven't looked at the 2007 website mentioned as "self-serving", one can make the claim, rationally, that the NCAA's website qualifies as self-serving (almost by definition). Specifically, shouldn't links to the organization's own self-serving description of its history be removed?

Award winners[edit]

I have a Greg Patton that claims to have won the NCAA National Men’s Coach of the Year in 1997...Do we have a list of winner's somewhere? Mjquin_id (talk) 19:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

"Coach of the Year" titles are given out by different associations, such as coaching associations or CoSIDA (Collegiate Sports Information Directors of America), not the NCAA. So, he could be correct, but it was not an NCAA award that he received. You would need to find out the sport and contact the coach association for that sport. --Danlthom (talk) alllllllala yaae yall suck booty17:21, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Greg Patton was the NCAA Men's Coach of the Year in tennis in 1997. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.49.101.112 (talk) 00:25, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Categories[edit]

Should categories such as Cat:College Golf, and so on Cat:College-insert any sport here- be added? I was reading WP:CAT and over-categorization and I couldn't make a clear judgement. I've added some with hot cat, but I don't want to over do it. Moonraker0022 (talk) 17:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

On that same note, what kind of project tags should this be included in, WikiProject College Basketball? and so on...? Moonraker0022 (talk) 17:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Sports??[edit]

I think there should be a list of sports that the NCAA currently fields. I know that they have lots of sports, like football, basketball, baseball, etc, but that organizations such as the NIRA (rodeo) and NCRHA (roller hockey) picks up the slack when the NCAA does not sponsor a sport. It would be an interesting section to include in this article; the sports that are and aren't sponsored by the NCAA. 69.152.220.228 (talk) 20:21, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Annual Budget[edit]

In a forum, elsewhere on the Net, there is currently a lively discussion about whether or not the "$5.64 billion (2007–08 budget)" is correct and whether or not this is misleading, due to advertising revenues, etc. Also, the link to the citation for this number is dead. Can anybody check this number and should it be a bit more clearly defined? Rengewwj (talk) 01:32, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Funding?[edit]

Maybe I'm missing it completely, but I don't see anywhere in this article that explains where the NCAA is making money. Let alone enough to use in massive grants, can someone add that? TrackZero (talk) 14:00, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

History[edit]

The history section should be reviewed. It depends heavily upon the NCAA's self-presentation of its history, which is no longer available at the referenced links. It would be better to cite contemporary reports when such can be found. Many newspapers of the period are available online with no fee, so, for example, March 31, 1906 formation date could be supported by a newspaper reference. The New York Sun, April 2, 1906, page 8 "One Body for College Sport" shows what amount to the association's initial bylaws.

At the very least the references linking to the NCAA website should be updated to point to the new location on the NCAA website. That is, assuming that the information still exists on the website (I've had no luck finding it there). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2610:8:7800:14:20A:95FF:FEC4:244A (talk) 14:30, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Located the reference to NCAA history, at archive.org. The wikipedia history section is almost an exact copy of the NCAA's self-written (arguably self-serving) history. It's no wonder shortcomings like the three antitrust rulings are excluded. This self-written history

But why did the NCAA remove this history from its website? It's not just the result of a website redesign, on-site searching for that text doesn't produce any hits. Is the removal related to recent legal cases? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2610:8:7800:14:20A:95FF:FEC4:244A (talk) 16:26, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Jurisprudence and Criticisms[edit]

It is surprising that this page doesn't include a section on the NCAA's long legal history. The association has been found in violation of U.S. antitrust laws three times-- in the TV rights case, in the 1998 coach salary capping case, and the recent O'Bannon ruling (which is under appeal). A fourth antitrust case was settled before the court rendered a decision (the NIT case). These, along with the legal rulings regarding workmen's compensation and unionization, should either be added to the history section or written as a new section.

Some of these issues are mentioned as bullet items in the criticisms section. But that section fails to present an accurate picture of the association's continued court challenges, including both "wins" and "losses". Presentation of such history shouldn't be considered a criticism, but as an accurate depiction of how the association fits into the national framework. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2610:8:7800:14:20A:95FF:FEC4:244A (talk) 14:55, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Presidents[edit]

The section on presidents starts with Byers. But the foundation announcement (The New York Sun, April 2, 1906, page 8 "One Body for College Sport") indicates the body had a president at that time.

The section should be altered to indicate that the power of that position was greatly expanded during Byers tenure. If a list of prior presidents can be found, they should be listed. If not, it should at least be mentioned that there were presidents prior to Byers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2610:8:7800:14:20A:95FF:FEC4:244A (talk) 16:40, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Expired Probation's[edit]

Is everyone not seeing this? We are clearly into 2015 and Southern Cal and South Carolina along with Central Florida all are shown as their probation ending in 2014? So what Im suggesting is to take them off. 72.15.25.104 (talk) 21:49, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done — Next time, be bold and do it yourself! Corkythehornetfan | Chat? 22:18, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Is there any possible way to the exact dates for UNC at Chapel Hill's, Penn State's, Miami's (Florida), Fontbonne's and Baruch's probation's for when they end? 72.15.25.104 (talk) 22:38, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
I was able to find dates for UNC and Miami, however, Penn State I cannot find an exact date for. As for Fontbonne and Baruch, they ended in 2012 & 2013. F&B have been removed. Corkythehornetfan | Chat? 00:00, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

New Probation's[edit]

Wichita State baseball team was put on probation about 2 weeks ago for a year, according to espn.com. Also i was thinking that there were other teams that were placed on probation earlier this year but don't see them on here.72.15.25.104 (talk) 00:22, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

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