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Highest Level Source?

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In the first paragraph there is an opinion, being "the highest professional level of American football in the world.". This is clearly just someone's opinion and due to the competition not being open to any other countries, I don't see how this claim can be made. John arneVN (talk) 02:29, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing stopping another country to pick up American football and organize a high-level professional league. Its just that no body has done it. So by reduction, the NFL is the highest professional level of American football in the world. Removing the "in the world" part would imply that there was another league higher or same level as NFL and that is simply not true. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 16:20, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Heck, it's the only fully professional American football league in the world, save the newly merged UFL, which is by its own admission a lower tier. This is approaching WP:BLUE territory. oknazevad (talk) 16:46, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's also a source already in the lead backing the claim up. Toa Nidhiki05 01:58, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 March 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: All articles except main article and timeline article moved.. Upon review, there is general support for almost all of these moves, many contingent on not moving the main article, and some contingent on not moving the timeline article. Therefore, I believe sufficient consensus has been established based on the discussion below for the movement of all articles as proposed except for the main National Football League article, and the Timeline of the National Football League article. (closed by non-admin page mover) EggRoll97 (talk) 23:59, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


– In response to the ongoing move discussion on the NBA page, I request this set of page moves in order to meet WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE. ScarletViolet (talkcontribs) 12:39, 3 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 10:10, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose league article, fine with the others in line with the discussion at Talk:National Basketball Association oknazevad (talk) 13:19, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose all – The NFL is not only called the NFL and it's not beneficial to move it to the short form acronym. Then, for consistency, it doesn't make sense to use the acronym for the rest of the pages. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:32, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The status quo actually isn't consistent. For example, there's the existing season pages (e.g. 2023 NFL season) and the drafts (2023 NFL draft), among others. —Bagumba (talk) 14:46, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man im josh, thoughts on Bagumba's comment above, the discussion below and the close at NBA? Possibility of reconsidering? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:52, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject National Football League has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:49, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject American Football League has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:49, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject American football has been notified of this discussion. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:50, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
—⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 06:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, for the main article, Support, for the other subpages, per oknazevad and Bagumba. JParksT2023 (talk) 15:59, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
NBA-specific technical issues


The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

What's your opinion?

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So, should we split the NFL teams section into it's own article? PlaneCrashKing1264 (talk) 16:58, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Try requesting a move, see how that works. 75.176.73.120 (talk) 02:31, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know how to, though. PlaneCrashKing1264 (talk) 02:43, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is this referring to the section National Football League § Clubs?—Bagumba (talk) 05:09, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah. PlaneCrashKing1264 (talk) 13:51, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not particularly large. What would be added? Consider the guideline WP:AVOIDSPLIT:

...editors are encouraged to work on further developing the parent article first, locating coverage that applies to both the main topic and the subtopic. Through this process, it may become evident that subtopics or groups of subtopics can demonstrate their own notability, and thus can be split off into their own article.

Bagumba (talk) 14:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's useful for this page and doesn't need a split. Remember that for every split a large percentage of readers are lost, so best to keep everything in this article presentable and in one place. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not got too much detail, it's a good amount to summarise the main points of how teams, conferences and TV blackouts work, which are all key concepts to understanding the NFL (particularly for readers that don't watch much NFL). Joseph2302 (talk) 15:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, just asking PlaneCrashKing1264 (talk) 17:15, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2024

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Can someone please update the regular season section of the season format section of this page to include the 2023–24 NFL standings? Please. 2601:40A:8400:1820:75F2:A114:503F:13FC (talk) 22:04, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. GrayStorm(Talk|Contributions) 23:27, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The standings are stuck in 2021-22, which had already passed. That's why it needs to be updated. 2601:40A:8400:1820:75F2:A114:503F:13FC (talk) 23:35, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Change the term club back to team

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The is American football this is not soccer we did not use the term club. Every fan and every player also every owner reference there club as team. 2601:2C6:8400:DCF0:A6E7:21:B52A:912D (talk) 07:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this and have made the change, although another person then reverted it on the theory that the NFL uses "clubs." As anyone who edits Wikipedia knows, the league's usage is not controlling—the rule is to use the terminology most seen in common usage. I don’t see how anyone can seriously dispute that in American English the normal term is "teams," except perhaps among some soccer fans who persist in using other odd terminology like "kit" when they mean "uniform" and "match" when they mean "game." 1995hoo (talk) 01:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This has been "Club" for over a decade now, as a good article. The proper term is "Club". The league always uses this term when referring to the organizations. We need to be accurate when referring to things - it's not a matter of WP:COMMONNAME, it's a matter of basic accuracy. "Club", "franchise", "team" - all of these have meanings. Using them incorrectly can confuse, but more importantly, it's simply not accurate. "Club" is the organization itself, "franchise" is the slot in the league, and "team" is the actual team out on the field; see, for example, the Carolina Panthers website, where "Team" links to the roster listing. See, as an example, this recent NFLPA report, which uses "club" to refer to the organization and "team" to refer to the team on the field. Team and club are not the same thing. That being said - the article, as it is right now, is inconsistent in usage, and this should be corrected. Toa Nidhiki05 01:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It’s 10:00 at night, so I’m not going to think about it further tonight. But I believe your analysis, while "technically" accurate as a matter of word definitions, is unnecessarily hypertechnical because there is no doubt that the commonly used, and widely understood, term is "teams." No reader will be remotely confused by the use of "teams," which is also consistent with the usage in all the other North American major leagues' articles (even MLS, where I’d expect people to be militant about using British terminology). I sincerely doubt this word is even remotely relevant to good article status. 1995hoo (talk) 02:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not British terminology. It's the terminology the league uses, and has always used. There are exceptions - we don't call the "extra point" the "try", for example - but it's not like "club" is unknown. Toa Nidhiki05 02:16, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The NBA, NHL, MLB, and MLS pages all have a section titled Teams, not Clubs. So, using the definition that teams only refers to the actual players on the field, then shouldn't the other pages be updated too? After all, why should the NFL page be unique in this sense? Alielmi1207 (talk) 17:16, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with using "teams" as the common term. Overly technical pedantry is irrelevant in what word to use in the header, as it'll both are completely accurate. That is to say, even if we conceded a distinction between the organization and the playing squad, the material in the chart is applicable to both. Consistency with other major North American sports leagues should be maintained (yes, even the CFL uses "teams"). The fact that this gets changed periodically and is changed back by one editor tells me that there's some WP:OWN going on here. oknazevad (talk) 17:43, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not an accurate term. A handful of Wikipedia editors who genuinely do not know what they are talking about doesn't make a commonname. Toa Nidhiki05 22:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NFL Sunday Ticket lawsuit

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Should NFL Sunday Ticket lawsuit be mentioned here? It's mentioned on NFL Sunday Ticket but given that NFL could potentially have to pay $4B, seems significant enough to mention here. https://frontofficesports.com/nfl-sunday-ticket-trial-jury-ruling/ Sawitontwitter (talk) 12:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]