Talk:National Grandparents Day

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Why It Didn't Take Off[edit]

I'd like to know exactly why Grandparents Day didn't go over. I've always assumed it was because grandparents were already covered by Father's Day and Mother's Day. That it seemed unnecessary to just have a holiday for them, even though other cultures practically worship their elders.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.172.165 (talkcontribs)

apostrophe?[edit]

Father’s day recognizes one’s father. Mother’s day recognizes one’s mother. Grandparents day recognizes one’s grandparents (not one’s grandparent). So, in order to make it consistent with the other holidays, shouldn’t it be called “Grandparents’ Day”? RdCrestdBreegull (talk) 18:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Grandparents Day in the United Kingdom[edit]

Grandparents Day has reached the United Kingdom. Today is our first ever one. Do you think we should put this in?

SpiffingAnimal (talk) 14:18, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

OTD[edit]

Per the rules at WP:OTD, this article is going to be excluded from Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/September 11 this year because it has a maintenance tag on it. To ensure that it appears, please resolve the issues described by the tag. You have over 5 weeks to go, so hopefully that should be more than enough time. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 19:10, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Grandparents Day and 9/11[edit]

I sent a letter to President Obama requesting that he support the change of Grandparents Day to the third Sunday of September so that it would no longer coincide with September 11, but judging from the reply I received I'm assuming he never got my message.

HankW512 (talk) 03:48, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Official song (USA)[edit]

I feel this section lends far more coverage of Johnny Prill than it does of 'the song'. I would delete the final two paragraphs and the image (which is even licenced as a PR image) to balence it out. I thought I'd raise it here rather than do it boldly. Thoughts? Bellerophon talk to me 11:07, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

The whole section needs to go. The cherry picked quotes are from personal correspondence, not acceptable sources. The questionable copyright on all the nationalgrandparentsday.com refs means they all should not be used as is. Copyright belongs to the creator, not to the guy who scans them and puts them on his personal website.
The prime source to use to support the claim that "National Grandparents' Day Council of Chula Vista, California announced that "A Song for Grandma and Grandpa" by Johnny Prill would be the official song" is a press release from that council and it does not include any announcement that it was the official song. It just says that it won one of they songwriting contests.
The claim that's its the official song of the US holiday is extremely dubious. "National Grandparents' Day Council of Chula Vista may have called it the official song but that doesn't mean that much. That council don't get to pick the official song for a US Government holiday. The US government that made it an official US holiday gets to do that, not a little self created corporation.
That claim that it is the official song is an extraordinary claim and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. We have very ordinary evidence for this claim. Mentioned in passing as an item of trivia. Maybe mentioned in passing by a self created corporation. (The only place that happens their website [1] looks more like they are hosting an advert for Prill than anything written by them).
When was this announce? 2004? Where is the press from then. Any announcement from the council? I can't find any. Where is any detail about it being announced? Where is it mentioned beyond a simple statement of it being so?
It's very likely that the press that mention this item of trivia got their info from Wikipedia. An SPA dedicated to promoting Prill introduced that "fact" unsourced to Wikipedia. No press mentions exist before then. They only started after that time. Lazy journos sourcing from Wikipedia. Another SPA dedicated to promoting Prill re-introduced that "fact" With sources. The sources used, 1 National Grandparents Council press release that does not say that the song is the official song. 2. "Editorial. Happy Grandparents Day!.". The Manila Bulletin Newspaper Online, a paper which quotes directly from this version of a Wikipedia page. "."In 2004, the National Grandparents Day Council of Chula Vista, California announced that "A Song for Grandma and Grandpa’’ by Johnny Prill is the official song of the National Grandparents Day holiday.US Senator Debbie Stabenow told Prill that "it is wonderful that ‘A Song for Grandma And Grandpa’ was chosen as the official song of National Grandparents Day. You have put into words the unique relationship between grandparents and their grandchildren." Lazy Journo copying from Wikipedia but at least they admit it, "Other countries celebrate National Grandparents Day on different dates, the Wikipedia said." Two sources, one does not verify the claim, the other is Wikipedia itself. After that dodgy reintroduction of the claim it again appears in press as a trivia titbit. It's a claim that has been repeatedly removed from Wikipedia but has been reintroduced by SPA promoting Prill but not providing any valid verification and has only been rarely mentioned in press after appearing in Wikipedia. Manila Bulletin shows journos do do that sort of thing.
The whole thing is an overly self serving bit of promotion that should have no place on Wikipedia. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:57, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Some interesting points. The official status of National Grandparents' Day Council is ambiguous. Is the National Grandparents' Day Council of Chula Vista the official council responsible for this holiday nationwide, or just a self-appointed spin off. If National Grandparents' Day Council of Chula Vista want to declare the song their official song, then that's their business, but it's a very different thing to claiming it is the official song of the holiday. I agree that the claims tend towards the latter, but the sources (which have been covered ad nauseum in the latest AfD and DR, so I won't repeat them here) are fragmentary, and generally unable to clarify the issue. We seem to have a case of novel synthesis of the facts. I'm going to make some clean up edits in that vein. Bellerophon talk to me 17:56, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Having looked at the sources in more detail I can see little evidence of the 'officialdom' of National Grandparents' Day Council of Chula Vista, in terms of Federal recognition. I have reworded the section to avoid this ambiguity. Bellerophon talk to me 18:29, 23 January 2015 (UTC)