Talk:National Health Service (England)

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Support for Requested move[edit]

Per NHS Scotland and NHS Wales, should this page be moved to NHS England per the clear naming convention already established by the other two? Opinions please. Thanks Jenova20 (email) 10:32, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
And NHS Northern Ireland Jenova20 (email) 15:09, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

I think "National Health Service" is the official name in England, see eg National Health Service Act 2006. "NHS England" is not used on the NHS websites. So I think we should stick to the current name. Rwendland (talk) 12:19, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Where? "National Health Service" isn't anywhere on their homepage, and the list of related sites at the bottom lists the others as "NHS Scotland", "NHS Northern Ireland" and "NHS Wales". We all know what it stands for, but all 4 use NHS as their web address, logo, and to refer to themselves. Thanks Jenova20 (email) 13:15, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

I'd point to two places:

  • the first sentence of the DoH website Health Care section: "The National Health Service in England provides free healthcare for all ..."[1]
  • the first sentence of the new health bill: "... to make other provision about the National Health Service in England"[2]

Do you have a cite for any substantial use of "NHS England" anywhere? Rwendland (talk) 14:36, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

The health bill was always going to use the full name rather than an abbreviation, that's common sense. The NHS Ireland website uses "NHS England" though and Scotland and Welsh NHS both use England and NHS, rather than National Health Service. WP:Commonname? Again, we all know what it stands for but there is no way it is the more common title in any sense, as proved here. Thanks Jenova20 (email) 15:05, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
If you do a google search '"NHS England" site:nhs.uk' you come up with very little use of "NHS England", and none of it on a major page, so I don't think it is a WP:Commonname. For example the "English" NHS web page[3] has the heading "The NHS in England". Rwendland (talk) 21:41, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Can we please realise that it is not for Wikipedia to rename British institutions? I see this on many government-related articles. Basically, it boils down to two choices - use the common name or the official name. "NHS England" is neither, its completely made-up. The English organisation is officially called "The National Health Service", which happily is also its common name. I support the existing format with England in brackets, as this makes clear that the England part is not an official part of the name. NHS Scotland and NHS Wales are different, because that is what those organisations are actually called. It is not for Wikipedia editors to go around renaming institutions just to impose an arbitary "consistency" which simply does not exist in the real world. Thom2002 (talk) 13:05, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
It is actually. These are the names of Wikipedia articles, not the names of the real world entities that are the topics of the articles. And it is very much up to Wikipedia editors to choose the best name for the article. In many cases this will be the same name as the common name of the entity described in the article; in other cases it will not. -- Derek Ross | Talk 00:17, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
I appreciate the difference between an article name and an institution name, but I see no reason at all for Wikipedia editors to get all 'inventive'. Either the common name or the actual name of the institution which the article describes will do fine. Thom2002 (talk) 07:38, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Need a "Controversies" section?[edit]

Major changes effective April 2013? "Farewell to the NHS, 1948-2013: a dear and trusted friend finally murdered by Tory ideologues" -- http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/farewell-to-the-nhs-19482013-a-dear-and-trusted-friend-finally-murdered-by-tory-ideologues-8555503.html Jo3sampl (talk) 22:13, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Infographic?[edit]

Hi, I’m Andrew Clark and I work at the Office for National Statistics in the UK.

We publish lots of info graphics and I wonder if this one on the Health gap in England and Wales (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Health_gap_in_England_and_Wales,_2011_Census.png) would be of interest for National Health Service

FYI, the full gallery is here <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Content_created_by_the_Office_for_National_Statistics>

All the best

Andrew Clark (smanders1982) 10 Dec 2013

Smanders1982 (talk) 12:58, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Notice anything missing?[edit]

The National Health Service (NHS) is the publicly funded healthcare system for England. It is the largest and the oldest single-payer healthcare system in the world. Primarily funded through the general taxation system, the system provides healthcare to every legal resident in the United Kingdom, with most services free at the point of use. Some services, such as emergency treatment and treatment of infectious diseases are free for everyone, including visitors.[1]

Would anybody reading this guess that the NHS is run by the British government? Is that straightforward reality taboo, and if it is when did it become so? The article makes it sound like the NHS is a totally independent institution that just happens to receive state funding.

184.57.174.32 (talk) 02:49, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Relevant page history[edit]

Some relevant old page history can be found at Talk:National Health Service (England)/Old history. Graham87 11:26, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Geography[edit]

I've imported quite a lot of material from National Health Service which relates specifically to England - and moved a bit which doesn't in the other direction. We need to ensure that the content is in the right place.Rathfelder (talk) 17:43, 15 January 2017 (UTC)