Talk:Nationalism

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Improvements May 2016[edit]

I'm going to be making some improvements to the page as there seem to be various sections that are either showing an unbalanced perspective or are unclear. If anyone wants to discuss / dispute my edits please discuss them here. Thermocycler (talk) 22:50, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

White nationalism[edit]

Why remove linking to White nationalism from here? This seems to be a variety of nationalism, as follows from the name. My very best wishes (talk) 20:34, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

It's a type of ethnic nationalism. We'd have to add Black nationalism, Zionism, and all other types of ethnonationalism to be consistent if WN is to be re-added. Zaostao (talk) 20:55, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Any sources to support such opinion? Page Ethnic nationalism does not even mention white nationalism. My very best wishes (talk) 20:58, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Racial nationalism is a better general term for black/white nationalism, I agree with your change. Zaostao (talk) 21:26, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Post-Communism[edit]

This section is very specific to Yugoslavia and "Balkanization" and doesn't really speak to the rest of the former USSR, so should perhaps be renamed "Yugoslavia" or "Former Yugoslavia" or even "The Balkans".

This section oversimplifies ethnic divisions in the former Yugoslavia as some points speaking about the main three as "Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes", which leaves out Ethnic Albanians and/or Bosniaks. Even the discussion of how to delineate ethnic groups as they pertain to Nationalisms and how groups define themselves vs how they are defined by their Balkan Neighbors vs how they are defined by the US would be interesting.

This section sounds to me a little biased against Yugoslav Nationalism as an idea as though it were destined to fail because of some basic (Nationalistic) truth:

Within Yugoslavia, separating Croatia and Slovenia from the rest of Yugoslavia is an invisible line of previous conquers of the region. Croatia and Slovenia to the northwest were conquered by Catholics or Protestants, and benefited from European history; the Renaissance, French Revolution, Industrial Revolution and are more inclined towards democracy.[64] The remaining Yugoslavian territory was conquered by the Ottoman or Tsarists empires; are Orthodox or Muslims, are less economically advanced and are less inclined toward democracy.

I think saying an entire ethnic group is prone or not prone to democracy is overly simplistic, even jingoistic and those types of statements result from Nationalism.

This section needs to be written better. It's too conversational. Probably there's somewhere better to link to, like the Balkan Wars to explain the conflict:

In the 1980s Yugoslavia began to break into fragments.[63] The economic conditions within Yugoslavia were deteriorating. Conflict in the disputed territories was stimulated by the rise in mass nationalism and inter-ethnic hostilities.[65] The per-capita income of people in the northwest territory, encompassing Croatia and Slovenia, in contrast to the southern territory were several times higher. This combined with escalating violence from ethnic Albanians and Serbs within Kosovo intensified economic conditions.[65] This violence greatly contributed to the rise of extreme nationalism of Serbs in Serbia and within Yugoslavia. The ongoing conflict in Kosovo was propagandized by Communist Serbian Slobodan Milosevic to further increase Serb nationalism. As mentioned, this nationalism did give rise to powerful emotions which grew the force of Serbian nationalism through highly nationalist demonstrations in Vojvodina, Serbia, Montenegro, and Kosovo. Serbian nationalism was so high, Slobodan Milosevic was able to oust leaders in Vojvodina and Montenegro, further repressed Albanians within Kosovo and eventually controlled four of the eight regions/territories.[65] Slovenia, one of the four regions not under Communist control, favoring a democratic state.


Recent Developments[edit]

Since the elections of Duterte and Trump, the general rise of nationalism in Europe (including Russia) and the Brexit vote, would it be appropriate to add some sort of "recent developments" section? 156.26.239.36 (talk) 19:38, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree with the above sentiment, but would add that this article is in need of better organization altogether, especially the "History" section. Perhaps it can be mentioned at the end of that portion of the article.Crazymantis91 (talk) 18:09, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
I added a 21st century section in the history. --MC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:EC16:C000:289C:961D:FA97:DF51 (talk) 19:57, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Improvements with information on Jewish nationalism[edit]

Dear Wikipedia community, I am proposing to add valuable information to this article by discussing nationalism from a Jewish perspective. Under the already existing chapter on the 19th century, I will add a new category titled Jewish nationalism. Here the ideas and background history which sparked the Zionist movement will be explained. I will give a brief description to key events in history which were used in defense for creation of a Jewish sovereign state in Palestine. Destruction of both temples, the Babylonian exiles, and centuries of living under foreign/oppressive rule will be visited. Effects of the French Revolution and liberal, secularist thinking on Jewish identity will also be dissected. I will focus more on the ramifications of these events on shaping of theology and eschatology, rather than the mere history. The main source I will be using is the first 2 chapters from David Engel's book, Zionism. Please leave me feedback if you have suggestions regarding what you'd specifically like to see in my new category. I am also open to your source recommendations if you have any.

Not needed--we already have a good discussion of Zionism and good coverage of Jewish history. Rjensen (talk) 19:08, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Hi EvanRichardson97, I think that this is a bit too specific for this page, as this covers a fairly general overview of nationalism and the page already mentions these topics. I think that it may be better to look at the article on Zionism and see what that article may need. You may even want to look at some of the specific forms of Zionism to see if any of those need improvement. (Pinging Chapmansh, the instructor.) Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:06, 20 November 2017 (UTC)