Talk:Net international investment position

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There are no sources for Portugal so I deleted the value it gives to Portugal. The link redirects to the Bank of Portugal main page. There is a list of foreign assets compiled by Allianz

which is also on wikipedia and seems to be completely different from this one.


The US number seems wrong. Check the cite. Not only is that number not listed anywhere on the page, but a 14Trillion dollar deficit is the size of the entire US economy.-- (talk) 13:57, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

? This is not NIIP, but GDP, see headline. --Alex1011 (talk) 15:53, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Definition details and Data-Chart Inconsistency[edit]

I have some doubts regarding this and replies would be helpful: 1. In the definition of NIIP, does the country refer to both public and private sectors? 2. The table shows a -24% NIIP to GDP for US but the chart on the right shows a -50%. Why is that? Thanks.. Marwahg (talk) 07:54, 14 March 2011 (UTC)marwahg

Turkish GDP data is labeled as being in USD and sourced from eurostat.... whereas eurostat gives it in euros... — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:52, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


I have provided a major update of previously listed countries and I have added stats for additional countries, thus, I have removed the update notice. A few additional remarks:

I have exclusively used figures from the IMF, national central banks or other official government institutions. In general, it often takes several years until “final” figures regarding a country’s GDP or NIIP are being released by the respective institutions. Therefore, GDP or NIIP figures which have been already published for 2010 or Q1 2011 are likely to be provisional, which means those stats may become subject to significant revisions in the following months and years. Nevertheless, I have still used 2010 stats for some countries if the corresponding central bank has provided a year-end figure for 2010 while the IMF has provided a final GDP figure for the year. I have omitted Brazil, for example, because the Brazilian GDP count for 2010 is still considered to be a rough estimate by the IMF. Meanwhile, the Brazilian central bank has only published year-end NIIP figures for 2010 but no corresponding GDP counts for 2009 or 2010. I have also omitted countries which have only published stats which predate 2008 such as Argentina. In general, it appears that developing countries are lacking behind in providing more recent figures. Like my predecessors, I have also relied on the Bank of Japan for providing “NIIP in % of GDP” for a number of countries.

Cheers, --Neutrum89 (talk) 19:54, 2 July 2011 (CET)

Per Capita more significant.?[edit]

Shouldn't there be a per-capita figure for the NIIP? Or is that meaningless? -- megA (talk) 16:28, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Here you go: List of countries by net international investment position per capita--Ujongbakuto (talk) 16:46, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

How do map and table relate?[edit]

For example, Germany has a NIIP/GDP% of +37,3, and PRChina has +37,1. Yet, China is bright green, whereas Germany is bright red... -- megA (talk) 16:33, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I assume that the map only deals with public debt to foreigners minus gold and currency reserves. It does not include other foreign assets (real estate, stocks) in public ownership, neither does it include foreign goods in private ownership. The NIIP does include all foreign goods in ownerhip of the governement and citizens of the home country, minus own goods in foreign ownership. Donar Reiskoffer (talk) 07:39, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

So, which one would be more relevant (or more misleading) for the economic situation of a country...? -- megA (talk) 15:56, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
I am not an economist, but I would say the coloured map is a bit misleading. The United States have a relatively large debt for a large part owed to foreigners, but it is nearly entirely denominated in USD. It is not completely fair to compare this with foreign reserves and gold. I also want to remark that the governement of a country may be poor while the population is rich. Japan is a good example: the governement of Japan has a huge net debt, while the people and companies of Japan have large net assets the sum still makes a positive NIIP. Donar Reiskoffer (talk) 07:08, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Public NIIP[edit]

It would be really great with a dataset of the public part of this all. Gillis (talk) 17:48, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Equity and/or debt[edit]

Does this list include both inward and outward equity investment? Or interest bearing debt only? The difference is important as the compulsory return on equities each year is zero - the company can fail to declare and pay a dividend. Contrast debt where failure to pay interest is a default leading to bankruptcy or restructuring. Could the introduction be made more clear about this, please. If I were an economist and new where to source the data I would happily do it myself, but, alas (or luckily) that is not the case. dinghy (talk) 01:53, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorting by NIIP in % GDP does not work ???[edit]

Hi - I can't seem to figure out why the sorting of the NIIP in % GDP (last column) does not work (sorts as characters instead of as numbers). All the fields are numeric and Help:Sorting#Numerical sorting problems says leading plus signs, minus signs, and zeroes, and trailing refs, shouldn't bother the numeric sorting. Facts707 (talk) 17:38, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I fixed it, it needed the nts template (the documentation is a bit misleading). Dcxf (talk) 12:42, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps your fix worked in May 2012, but it doesn't work now. It seems the Javascript(?) that sorts numbers understands decimal points BUT NOT COMMAS. If the script can't be fixed, the commas have to go. Septimus.stevens (talk) 03:29, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Updated figures[edit]

Howdy all.

I've just done a new table available here with updated numbers [1] feel free to copy and check.

cheers Allmedia (talk) 23:14, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Source with the info[edit]

I found this [2] will all the stats required to update this page, it is also already in a standard unit (US Dollars). I tried to update the table in the edit section, but instead messed up the Hong Kong NIIP in GDP % cell.

Jpribeiro (talk) 02:43, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Table column sorting[edit]

I am not sure why the columns are not sorting correctly on the big table (especially NIIP and NIIP in % GDP) and was unable to fix this. Someone who better understands the table syntax might be able to rectify this. (talk) 17:24, 29 January 2017 (UTC)