Talk:New Deal

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Merge[edit]

I think it's probably unnecessary to have a separate page for the Second New Deal if its in-depth discussion happens on this page. Trevor1324 (talk) 05:09, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Historians often make the distinction of a "Second New Deal" and so it ought to be covered. Rjensen (talk) 05:24, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
I know, but the New Deal's page discusses the Second New Deal far more than its own article, so there's no real reason to have it. Clicking on the Second New Deal's article is just a waste of time, and a redirect to this article's section on it would probably be more appropriate, unless the Second New Deal article was expanded. Trevor1324 (talk) 03:50, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
  • No, I'd oppose a merge, first on size grounds (this article is 183 KB already; and if the proposal simply envisages blanking and redirecting the other page, I'd be opposed to it as a back-door deletion), and second, as the Second New Deal had a different character (meeting far more opposition, for example) and is notable in its own right, it'd make more sense to split the Second New Deal stuff from here (leaving just a summary) and move it over there. Moonraker12 (talk) 14:09, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
PS: In fact the same could be said of the "Recession of 1937", and "WWII and full employment" sections (the latter already mentioned above). Both could be summarized and have the excess stuff moved to the respective main articles. Moonraker12 (talk) 14:26, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
  • I would also oppose a merge. There's no reason a good summary section here with a separate article wouldn't be superior. This page is already long, it's a significant event with more than enough sourcing. Protonk (talk) 16:24, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess that solution does make more sense. I'm not super attached to the idea of merging them anyway, I just thought the current set-up was subpar.Trevor1324 (talk) 00:55, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

  • The Second New Deal section is rather short. I don´t see how it could be significantly shortened while still covering the story. I oppose the idea of a summary section. On the other hand I would not deny that Second New Deal could be a lot longer (Arthur M. Schlesinger wrote 768 pages about it) and that excess stuff would be fine for a separate Second New Deal. --Pass3456 (talk) 10:08, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

-I agree strongly with the immediately above: due to the size, significance, and difference in nature of the Second New Deal, if there's any talk here about merging the Second New Deal's page wholly into the first, it can mean only one thing: not nearly enough has been written about it. There's actually something of a paradox, here: The New Deal, as a whole, certainly includes the Second New Deal (well, I'd say), and material about the 2nd phase should be on The New Deal page. However, The Second New Deal was also a distinct entity, one of the most significant and successful legislative movements, distinct from the 1933-4 New Deal in several respects, and...it's too big not to have a page of its own. I suppose a modestly briefer summary of the 2nd New Deal could be included in this page, while maintaining the full 'Second New Deal' page independently, but ultimately, regardless of how the chips fall down, I can't support the submerging of the Second New Deal into merely a section of the first--it was too big, too important, shifted the Overton Window so much more than the original New Deal, is relevant politically to Hughie Long's demagoguery, and, well, certainly produced more enduring political shifts, being both the point at which FDR shifted decisively to Social Liberalism (and created Social Security, did Financial Regulation properly, etc) and thus made the dominant wing of the Democratic Party ultimately Liberal AND, because of the lack of ambiguity in that shift, presumably played a role in the almost semi-formal division of the party in 1937 by going farther left than Nance Garner was willing to tolerate. It all connects quite closely to the Supreme Court fight that year, also--no, it's just too big a historical shift to be mashed into a page headlined by the First New Deal. It'd be like combining Nixon's 1971 and (much different) 1974 Healthcare plans as one subject (only this is a much larger and more important pair of subjects, to be clear). -CA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.248.77 (talk) 21:27, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

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