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Photo gallery too large[edit]

There are too many pictures of Pluto and their moons. I deleted some of the redundant ones (same picture taken in a different day). I think that the gallery is still too large. The user should be redirected to Commons if he wants to see more images taken by New Horizons. Alpertron (talk) 14:31, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Further reading[edit]

@MJG639: it is okay to add the book in the Further reading section, but not the link to Amazon per WP:LINKSTOAVOID. Please find a more appropriate link. - DinoSlider (talk) 13:38, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

OK - sorry, will do! Thanks for letting me know — Preceding unsigned comment added by MJG639 (talkcontribs) 13:42, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

2014 MU69[edit]

It says, “Having completed its flyby of Pluto, New Horizons has maneuvered for a flyby of Kuiper belt object 2014 MU69,...” I recommend saying when New Horizons made said maneuver.--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 23:51, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry. I found, later in the article, where it says when the maneuvers were performed.--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 00:01, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Two proposals (Gallery + Timline)[edit]

I have two relatively simple proposals to improve the article. First of all, I propose completely removing the "Gallery" section because it's mangling the shape of the entire article. Needless to say, Wikipedia is not a service for displaying files; we have Commons for that. The emphasis should be on the well sourced prose with selected photos serving as a means for better understanding of what is written. In place of the gallery, I propose adding the Commons template ({{commons|New Horizons}}) at the bottom of the article, leading the reader to a category with 100+ images.

My other proposal is removing the "Timeline" section from the article as I believe it to be redundant after the detailed "Journey to Pluto" and "Encounter with Pluto" sections. In respect for those who created the table and took the time to fill it with information and references, instead of deleting it all together, I propose creating a separate list titled List of New Horizons mission milestones and linking somewhere in the article.

I realize that in the light of the mission getting significant public attention, a lot of people are involved in editing the article, so I won't go forward with the changes until a few days from now. I also hope to get some feedback from other editors by then. I'm open for suggestions and ideas. :-) --Saxum (talk) 15:55, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Completely disagree. I constantly read this article for the gallery and the timeline.Czolgolz (talk) 16:39, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
Maybe a few images could be removed altogether, and it would be better to move some to specific paragraphs where possible. But in general I think this gallery is quite useful, and the timeline too. Some readers probably prefer just to look at the timeline rather than read through (long) paragraphs. The information may be repeated, but is presented in a different way. Gap9551 (talk) 17:34, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

I think we all agree that images (especially those provided by NASA) are an integral part of Wikipedia articles. This one is no exception. However, a limit has to exist and I'm sure that as it is, we have an article that is against WP:IDD ("Don't overload articles with images") and WP:Gallery ("However, Wikipedia is not an image repository. A gallery is not a tool to shoehorn images into an article"). Considering New Horizons' main task was the exploration of Pluto, it is understandable the article be filled with a dozen images of Pluto. The problem is the present article has (not counting the CGI ones) 32 of them, and a lot of them depict similar things which is again contrary to WP:Gallery ("Images in a gallery should be carefully selected, avoiding similar or repetitive images"). I'm glad Gap9551 mentioned moving certain images to specific paragraphs. I did something like that back in 2013 with the Jovian moons section and I believe that we should resolve this in a similar manner. Don't get me wrong; I'm not an "image deletionist", I just belive the best and the most useful images should find their space in the appropriate paragraph of the article, not stacked up at the bottom of the page creating a gallery that is longer than the prose above it. If it would help you get the idea of what I'm proposing, I can copy the article to my sandbox with the images I think are needed, and without those I believe are excessive?

As for the Timeline, I agree the article is really long and some users prefer just to check out the Timeline for a quick glance at the most important dates. That's why I'm not proposing completely deleting it, but moving the section to for a new article (list). Considering a lot of effort has already been put into the Timline, I don't see a reason why with some expansion it couldn't become a Featured list sometime in the future which would be a nice addition to the main article.--Saxum (talk) 18:21, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Absolutely agree. The gallery here is absurdly large, with a lot of topical redundancy to images already in the article. This is a growing problem in many astronomy and spaceflight related articles. Timelines are great, and the existing information would work well in a separate article where additional data could be filled in. I would suggest keeping an abridged version here, though, containing the highlights of the mission rather than being so detailed. Huntster (t @ c) 18:31, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
I agree that the images need to be trimmed somewhat. As to separating the timeline, there is some precedent for moving it into its own article, see Timeline of Galileo Jupiter orbiter tour, for example. Also, I think the design and construction section may be a candidate for moving to its own article, and leaving a "main" link and summary here. Rwessel (talk) 18:34, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
Seeing how users (at least most of them) agree the number of images is too big, and another user mentioned the same issue about a month ago, I'm going to be bold on this one and remove the excess images. I'm open for discussion, and if you feel an image has been unjustly removed, I'm sure we can agree on it on the talk page. Before I go forward with this, I would also like to present an alternative in the form of mini galleries located in appropriate paragraphs with a link to the appropriate Commons category. Example of the proposed gallery in the Jupiter encounter paragraph on my sandbox page.--Saxum (talk) 22:44, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
We can remove about half of the images of Pluto and Charon. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 22:56, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
OK, it's good to see that some pruning has happened, but I think a bit too much. Surely this article deserves more than *two* close up images of Pluto. Rwessel (talk) 04:47, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
I would like to ask for a bit more patience because there is more work to do before the article shapes up into its "final form". I would also like to point out at that despite New Horizon's main goal was the exploration of Pluto, this is not an article about the dwarf planet itself but the spacecraft, so I would be careful with overloading the article with images of Pluto. I'd rather see users expanding the prose in certain paragraphs. That said, I do plan on adding an additional photo or two of the close encounter in the "Future mission objectives" paragraph after I remove those CGI images. I recon an actuall of a Kuiper belt object is more useful than an artistic interpretation.--Saxum (talk) 13:45, 6 December 2015 (UTC)